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What I'm talking about has no bearing on that. The Phillies found Odubel Herrera on waivers (2015) The Reds found Scooter ganett on waivers (2017) The Brewers found Jesus Aguilar on waivers. (2017). They found decent production from Keon Broxton in a low level trade. Junior Guerra from the white sox in 2016. Obviously, famously, Max Muncy was on waivers. Other teams have been able to find decent starters, if not long term pieces, through the use of waivers, rule 5 and playing time for marginal pieces. The white sox ... lets hope Daniel Palka pans out as a possible DH.

Said it before, adjusting expectations down mine is Nick Castellanos.

For me it's not about need or anything like that. It's just being scarred from sox drafting these college bats that don't improve as they progress, just stay the same so they end up in AAA as less productive versions of their college selves. But there is a whole lot of vaughn that screams he will be an outlier, just nervewrecking there.

I just look at it differently. Hahn has had a really bad record of using free agency to get productive mlb players at any price point, compared to other GMs. This was another offseason where he could show their scouting or decisionmaking has improved, even in looking for short term pieces or even using it to find undervalued assets. It also lets the same team (front office) off the hook of the bigger picture. We had 2 years of major league playing time available to find a power hitting first baseman. 2 years to find an innings eater that isn't great but can give you 180 ip and a 4.5 era. 2 years to find versatile, decent outfielders. These are roles you should be able to find through good scouting and playing time. 2 years with roster space where you can hunt for players through waivers, free agency, rule 5 drafts, trades and of course internal player development. In that time they provided it to: Dylan covey, Miguel Gonzalez, Hector Santiago, Manny Banuelos, Carson Fulmer, Wily Garcia, Daniel Palka, Nicky Delmonico, Avisail Garcia, Alec Hansen, Matt Skole, Casey Gillaspie, Ryan Cordell, Charlie Tilson, and Leury Garcia. Of that group, the sox did not find any they were confident enough to give average production to, and needing to rely on free agency and trades to provide short-term, average production on the team because they could not do it through their own scouting and development. In similar places, other teams have found at least decent albeit replaceable players. And while the sox have had a decent record of dumpster diving for relievers, they instead felt the need to pay market rate for 2 middle relievers after spending considerable capital to acquire lots of minor league and college relievers saying this was the new moneyball. So basically, I think this offseason was indicative of a longstanding Hahn-era problem of not being able to squeeze greater value from marginal parts, and always feeling like he has to pay market rates for average production from multiple positions, to the point you end up with a higher team salary than you'd expect from the players on it.

I think grain of salt is required here. On one hand, with the sox record you should place a high likelihood of a college position player as a pick. Lets say 66% But on other hand kiley and eric have been off on the sox specifically. They had them on Swaggarty last year and Singer, and Kendell the year before that (along with jb bukauskas rumors). It has been college picks, it has not been what they've said. Sox scouts are probably easy to pick out of the big college players now, where a trip to columbia, mo and nashville are easy for F.O. to make the trips to see a bunch of talent than sending them to high school tournaments where it may be less of an all in one trip. But...it's probably vaughn.

Alan 1:44 Too early to be asking draft intel on teams? Hearing anything with the White Sox at #3? Kiley McDaniel 1:44 Hearing Vaughn and Misner, so seems like they're still leaning college bats, as they have in past years (Zack Collins, Jake Burger, Nick Madrigal)

He can throw 6 innings even if they do this.

Probably true, according to Kenny, they were out on bryce when his prices started to exceed manny's (which he implied the sox valued manny more). So if they felt they came to bat with 250 for manny knowing they were out on harper, I tend to think your $400 is closer to right than $500.

Yeah it doesnt really seem like the de escalation from giving up a 1st rounder to giving up a 2nd rounder (in most cases) has changed anything.

rebuild is back on.

I don't know, do you mean to tell me this isn't a sign of things to come?

Eloy bomb.

I agree but there are a lot of teams with cap space, bears to do that will need to target a specific player and execute, not worth doing it for the plan b's. That pre negotiating period will be interesting.

Right and really you have to just hope he can stay above 90. But even if he goes to high 80s, you could be looking at some late era bartolo colon seasons (mets hopefully) which are still not particularly bad if you are getting a 3 year contract at decent rates. If he maintains though you could either have a productive, stable vet that you could trade if team is sucking. If he is ivan nova, then I still think you can get out of the contract and it was just worth a shot. But he may still be looking for 80 mill, I have no idea. At that price no thanks.

If nothing else, showcasing covey in a role where he can show his optimal value versus shoehorning him into one that highlights his weakness could help create value during a year they are not competing. I'd have argued the same with Davidson. It's really a team set-up thing though. I believe in it for must win games, but don't feel like sox are talented enough to manage its value throughout the season which would put them at a disadvantage. But I feel like sox want to find traditional roles within the players they have, so letting them play out that role is probably best. This is the horse we have so may as well just let them figure out the way they want to play.

This is insane. Leury is the best outfielder on this team.

I have to say I love the BA guys but I canceled my subscription. I was shocked how little content comes in between big lists unless you follow college baseball. They need to do more writer chats.

It's going to be a form of accurate. Waiting for some "breaking: Nick madrigal suspended 80 games for violating mlbs performance enhancing drugs policy"

Why write that

that hasn't helped either. Basically need to put him in a straight jacket when he gets to first base.

Definitely reminds me of Moss/Rice team

I have never seen any player get as many sliding injuries as him. I have to wonder if most players play through it? For a while since he bulked up so much between his cuban leagues and US debut I thought his body was adjusting, but it's ridiculous now.

Its crazy, that org is a windsock right now. Heard Raiders may try to pull off an offseason of kyler murray, leveon bell, and antonio brown. It would be a fun circus at least. Definitely an oakland vibe to that group.

Yes, he is supposedly pitching without restrictions.

I assume its the substitute group but you are right I haven't seen robert in since friday. Also strange that Basabe is in that group.