Rowand44

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) what about his glove? or under the bill of his special hat that is all black? Did you look in there? They didn't check that? Like I said, I didn't get to watch the game so I'm only going off of what I heard. I assumed when they made him wash his hand off they checked that stuff out. If not then maybe I just shouldn't comment on this.

I didn't get to watch the game as I was driving back to school but from my understanding the umps had him wash his hand during the 2nd inning, is this correct? If so, I don't think it's a huge deal. Yes, Rogers is a moron for making this stuff visible and using it but he was still dominating afterwards. I guess the one beef is that he should have been ejected but like I said he was still pitching real well so it's not like the stuff was effecting his performance.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) The White Sox with 5 right handers in its rotation > the White Sox with a lefty for 2007 who walks away because someone offers Buehrle a better deal in the offseason (thus leaving the Sox, you guessed it, 4 righties in their rotation, 5 if Garcia is somehow kept). Buehrle's contract situation should be the overriding thread from which all decisions about the pitching staff are spun. I personally couldn't care less if we have 5 righties, 5 lefites or 5 guys who throw with their feet, as long as they're quality starting pitchers. Like I said before though, Mark is the last starter I want to trade besides Brandon. I think he's the most likely to rebound but obviously his contract has become a huge issue now. I am really interested to see what starter goes in this offseason, cause I honestly think you could make a decent case for all of them(the starting 5 from 06).

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) Still I think as a whole we both agree on the fact that this rotation isn't near as bad as many people say it is. Yes it sucked this year, but players have off years and statistically speaking our guys are better than they produced. Oh ya, that I definitely agree on. The rotation will be better next season, there is no doubt in my mind there, it's just going to be interesting to see who we trade to make a spot for Brandon and what we get back.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:10 PM) Pretty much agreed completely. Jon was huge from about mid-June to September, but he always mixed in atleast one awful start every month, and occasionally two or three. It's really hard arguing for any White Sox starter this year. They all pretty much sucked ass. I'm definitely excited about this rotation come next year though. No real reason why, just a quiet feeling of confidence I have that this rotation will bounce back something amazing next year. If Contreras stays healthy, he's going to be good(and all we as fans can do is hope)...I gotta hunch Buehrle's going to come back stronger than ever, Garland will be solid again, Vazquez will be comfortable, seeing as how he's not being traded in an offseason since 2002, and then there's McCarthy(who you and I both like a lot). There still aren't many rotations in baseball that I'd trade ours with going into next season. I'm fairly confident Mark will be back, Jon I'm not so sure about, his 06 season is too much like 01-04 for me to have confidence in him. You know how I feel about Brandon and as much as Vaz pissed me off last year, it did seem like he turned a corner and can at least be a solid starter for us next season. Contreras to me is the most interesting pitcher we have right now, if he's completely healthy I believe he's one of the best pitchers in baseball. On the other hand can you count on a 300 year old pitcher to be completely healthy? And we saw this year how he's a completely different pitcher even when he's a bit banged up. Freddy I just want gone, split finger or not I have absolutely 0 confidence in him. QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 12:36 PM) I actually have a lot of faith of most of our guys coming back and I wouldn't cringe if we kept our 5 guys. The only reason I'm for moving one of the guys (and only one of them, preferably Contreras or Buehrle) is because of the value I think we could get for them (that could help us fill a couple other wholes while giving us front line talent) and that it opens up a spot for McCarthy who is capable and deserves to be our 5th guy. Aside from that I would not deal Garland/Vaz. Count is so old I wouldn't be against it if we got some top notch stuff in return and well Buerhle could be a tough resign so I don't have a problem with that. As far as Freddy goes, I'd move him if we got value for him or were able to make that Arod trade, although I think he's going to rebound quite nicely. I think this is the first baseball related topic we've completely disagreed on.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 24, 2006 -> 10:55 AM) You're absolutely correct, putting up 4 months with an ERA below 4 just absolutely sucks balls. For comparison sake, Garland only did that twice. I bring up Jon because once again he had a very average season yet it seems like everyone thinks he was fantastic last season cause he had two really good months. He also had two brutal months and two average months. He was not very good at all last year.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) Thanks for giving me a brutal flashback. We're together on this one. I think I still got that freakin song in my head.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 04:53 PM) I don't know the Thomas quote you're referring to, but the rest is flat wrong. In this article, Chavez, Kotsay, Zito, Kendall, and Haren all have uncomplimentary things to say about Macha. That's not even mentioning Melhuse's comments. I know a lot of people here despise Beane, but using this to tee off on him is ridiculous. No one should use this directly. But like I said before I think a lot of us have known for a while that Beane pretty much calls the shots or at least wants to and it's not the easiest place to manage.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 11:05 AM) Looks like I landed a job with the Daily Herald sports department. That's awesome man, congrats.

QUOTE(SnB @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 09:14 AM) i seriously told you so. I was waiting for your comment. It was late and I was real tired and spacing out. Usually, I'm looking all over for cops but because I was out of it, I wasn't. Thankfully I didn't get hit going that fast.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 09:15 AM) I'll offer mine, just because. Paulie - A- Iguchi- B /please learn to bunt Uribe - C- /he gone Crede - B+ AJ - B+ /production fell off end of year Thome - A- /again 2nd half numbers Pods - D+ /get on base and steal that's his job Anderson D Dye - A Buehrle - D / Waaaaaaayyyy too many early inninng runs Jose Contreras - B Garland - A Freddie - B / stepped up late Vaz - C Brandon - C Jenks - A- / faltered late Riske - C MacDougal - B / was impressive in his short stint here Cotts - D Thornton - B- Cintron - B Gload - B / never minded when G-Load was in lineup Ozuna - B+ / was a huge lift early in year Mack - C Oz - C / too many distractions - not enough wins Cora - C Walker - C Cooper - C- Your starting pitcher grades confuse me, especially Jon and Freddy who should be closer to C's and D's respectively.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 23, 2006 -> 02:18 AM) Since there are so few posts early in this offseason. Here are my grades for the Sox as to how they performed this past season. Please add yours. I will not include all the Sox. Paulie - A Iguchi- B plus. Uribe - C Crede - A AJ - A minus. Thome - A Pods - C-minus, D plus Anderson C-minus. Dye - A plus. Buehrle - C minus. Jose Contreras - B Garland - B Freddie - C Vaz - C Brandon - C minus Jenks - A Riske - C minus MacDougal - C Cotts - D Thornton - C Cintron - C Gload - C Ozuna - C Mack - C. I am not high on our bench. Oz - B (we did win 90 games) Cora - D Walker - C Cooper - C minus Needs for next year: Get rid of Pods; upgrade there. Need bullpen overhaul Let Brandon start; trade one of the starters to make room for him How does Bobby get an A yet Mac and Thornton get C's?

So I got my first ever speeding ticket today coming back to school down 57.

I haven't seen a game of high school football this year so I'll just assume that Stevenson will win 8A.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 11:50 AM) He should blame the owners, I am no Beane fanboy, but he consistently puts playoff teams together with a meh payroll Well I'm not going to get into the whole Beane argument again but as far as this stuff goes, from what I've heard/read it definitely seems like Beane calls the shots there no matter what and the manager is just a puppet.

He was one of the best hitters in baseball last season and he's going to make a whole 6 million dollars this season. Not happening.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 09:26 AM) Well, the best the Tigers can do in the postseason now is 11-2. What a bunch of losers, eh? ^^^ What the Sox did last season was just ridiculous. The end.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2634647

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 12:42 AM) I love my late night talks with row.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Oct 22, 2006 -> 12:18 AM) I agree. The only team to hold the #2 team in the country under 300 yards this season sucks ass. Correct. Well I've seen them play in person and I've watched almost all of there games this season and they really are bad. They also haven't beat a decent team yet this season.

Iowa is awful.

If the Cards were going to win a game I thought it'd be this one. I expect Detroit to win the next 4.

Very interesting.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 12:03 AM) Hillarious. What a great find, you rock.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 20, 2006 -> 12:43 AM) Ah, the Tigers winning the World Series prediction makes sense now. Rowand, please bet on the White Sox next year. Even if I wanted to bet on the Sox, I never could due to superstition/jinxing stuff. And yes, I really did believe the Tigers would win the World Series at the start of the playoffs, and obviously I still believe that now.