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guys this whole KW felt bad for trading an injured garcia BS is just that ...BS. this isnt golf, you make moves with the best interest of your own team in mind...not someone elses

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 28, 2007 -> 09:56 AM) How else do you want to fix the bullpen? lol exactly....maybe he hasnt seen the fact that the bullpen has like a 6.5 ERA in the last 50 some games

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:50 PM) Yeah I was just showing that list because Louisville is unranked by US News. US news is the list in parenthesis. i gotcha....i was wondering about that lol

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) Or not, as Meaux was at least in AA with better numbers, and Iguchi had better numbers and is expected to fill a starting role, at least til Utley gets back. Dubee isn't even in Advanced A yet. meaux was 26 when he was traded though, blums stats and iguchis stats werent that dissimilar when we got him blum .241 .321 .375 5 HR 3 SBs iguchi .251 .340 .380 6 HR 8 SBS

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:54 PM) I'm not sure, but i am pretty sure it is a clause in his contract and that Hideki Matsui had the same clause in his contract. yeah thats what balta said too, in which case the way i view this trade becomes completely different, and this is about what i would have expected to get in return...basically look at it this way....we traded ryan meaux, who was like 3 years older and had similar numbers for blum, so this is a comparable deal

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:53 PM) Given that Iguchi made $3.25 million this year, arbitration would mean at least $3.5 million next year. Why pay a declining player that much when you have Richar ready to go? simply because iguchi probably would decline arbitration and elect to become a FA and sign elsewhere for more years and probably a bit more money....but that may be a moot point if it is true that iguchi could not have been offered arb.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) The issue with Iguchi is not the new arbitration rules. If we understand the way Japanese FA's tend to have their contracts structured, they sign an initial contract for x number of years at y dollars, but normally, being in MLB for x years doesn't give you enough service time to become a Free Agent again. So, to avoid being locked into arbitration for 6 years with the same team that signed you, there is usually a clause inserted requiring either the team to resign you to another contract by some date or to grant you a full release so that you can become a FA again. The only question is how exactly Iguchi's contract was structured. He would not have enough MLB service time to become a free agent without some sort of this clause. ok, thanks for the info....IMO this is crucial then, if we were gonna get nothing for iguchi at the end of the year, then ok this is about what i expected...if we could have gotten a sandwich pick, then i would have expected more.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) I am 99.9% sure Iguchi could not have been offered arbitration and the only way a team could retain him is by signing him to an extension, and if not he would become a free agent. So, Dubee > nothing. im not disagreeing or doubting you, im just wondering why he couldnt have been offered arb....i quite frankly am far from an expert on the entire matter and have always been cloudy on offering arbitration to upcoming FA and how that all works

QUOTE(SoxFan77 @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 04:47 PM) We don't have to pay nothing in the minors.. for doing nothing.. We do have to pay Dubee we would have had to pay iguchis contract the rest of the year, which is a hell of alot more than we will have to pay for dubee

i expected a little more....we would have gotten draft picks for iguchi...assuming we offered arbitration...here are the new rules Draft Choice Compensation 1. Type C free agents eliminated in 2006 2. Also in 2006, compensation for type B players becomes indirect (sandwich pick) as opposed to direct compensation from signing Club. 3. Effective 2007, Type A players limited to top 20 percent of each position (down from 30 percent) and Type B players become 21 percent - 40 percent at each position (rather than 31 percent - 50 percent). 4. Salary arbitration offer and acceptance dates move to December 1 and December 7. here is a list of the free agents from last year and who was type A and type B http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?p=1343042 im fairly confident in saying that iguchi would have fallen into either type A or type B so at very least we would have gotten a sandwich pick....so had we kept iguchi, offered him arb. and he left to become a FA, we would have gotten a pick in the 50 range (last years type B compensation were overall 48-64).... bear in mind we would have to pay to sign that pick, but considering we got gio as a sandwich pick the first time around, yeah i expected KW to do a little better than a guy who was drafted in the 18th round

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 12:10 PM) Could Simeon possibly move inside? I know he's been getting bigger over the past few seasons and he still has some decent burst. Perhaps add a bit more bulk and replace Tank? Yeah, probably not very likely. i think brown would be a much more likely candidate... brown actually played some DT last year and i think is quite a bit bigger than rice...

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Jul 27, 2007 -> 12:01 PM) No way is the Big 10 taking in any University that is not in the top 100 schools: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/...9.national.html This list actually has Louisville on it (Us News doesnt even list them), every Big 10 university is in the top 100, Louisville is 200. As a Big 10 grad, I would be sickened if we took in anything but top 100. that list is horrid....penn state the #3 university ??????

gio now leads the entire minor leagues in Ks

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 03:21 PM) Sounds kinda fair considering what the Sox gave up in prospects for Freddy Garcia. Jeremy Reed (The WHite Sox top prospect), Mike Morse (a young SS), and Miguel Olivo (A young up and coming catcher already in the major leagues with an awesome arm). adam jones >> jeremy reed

QUOTE(RME JICO @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 07:35 AM) I really hope a win doesn't make KW think that the Sox still have a shot. The deadline is closing fast. yeah i think he knows the hope is gone ....we have to go 46-15 to tie the tigers assuming the tigers play .500 ball the rest of the way...

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 10:05 AM) You know, I still feel like Canseco is a shiester, but less of one than Bonds, Sheffiled, and Co. In that way, I guess I agree with you. oh i def. agree, but in terms of the whole steroid scandal...he has come out looking like the "good guy"...er at least best guy, or maybe the best way to put it is least bad guy

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 09:57 AM) He has only been in the league 3 years. That should make him eligible for ARB, right? i think the rules are different for a free agent than for a player who has been drafted, i mean they have to be, because tadahito isnt arb eligible, neither was shingo, etc

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 09:48 AM) Canseco reacts to big mouth Schilling: He lied before Congress and he was reprimanded for it," according to Canseco. "What a horrendous performance he put on with the spotlight on him in front of the whole world and he could have said something important. Of all people to be saying something like that. Are you kidding me? He's a complete hypocrite. Nobody takes him seriously. People around baseball all feel the same way about him. Canseco Responds am i the only one who feels that canseco has come out of this entire steroid controversy looking at least somewhat respectable? i am kind of shocked that i feel this way, but in some sense his public image is higher than just about all those who testified in front of congress (palmeiro, mcgwire, sosa) and maybe im naive to feel this way, but i believe the stuff that comes outa his mouth more so than anyone.....i know it was basically greed that brought this all out of him, but in some sort of invisible hand of public relations, his greed has actually put him in a better situation than the others

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 09:49 AM) there is no reason why Garland or Javy should get us any less than Adam Jones. i would be stunned if the mariners deal jones for garland or vazquez

i can't believe nobody mentioned the NES Zelda....and while it was newer the N64 version was a top video game of all time also... the N64 Goldeneye was easily one of the greatest of all times...it was the first game that had a multiplayer that I played with my friends for literally like 6 hours staright how about Contra for NES? I had a Joe Montana football for Sega that was ridiculously easy and had a bunch of glitches also. the track and field game with the power pad for NES was also a classic theres so many, i could go on and on

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 26, 2007 -> 08:44 AM) I'll take Jones and Morrow for Garland. lol me too...

QUOTE(joejoedairy @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 10:08 PM) Cant we put jose on the disabled list? he has to be disabled to pitch this badly this consistently they won't before the trading deadline......afterwards i would think its a very good possibility....

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 09:59 PM) /Random post It's a real shame Bedard is on such a s*** team like the O's. This guy needs to get WAY more attention then he gets. What a stud. the cubs have to be kicking themselves for not pulling that bedard and tejada for prior deal.....

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 07:39 PM) Fields fouls off an insane amount of pitches. As someone so brilliantly mentioned earlier, he doesn't K too often on pitches in the dirt/sliders. Rather, he swings through a lot of high fastballs, and that's something I'm confident he'll improve upon. the quality of his swings is better than credes ever has been....he simply doesn't take those swings that just look like they hurt

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 09:31 PM) Perspective Contreras ERA is now 6.22, and I suspect his record will be 5-13 after tonight. To put things in perspective, Jamie Navarro's worst year with the SOx was 1998 ERA 6.36 with an 8-16 record Memory Lane - 6.36 Navarro Drive tim kurkjian said on baseball tonight that KW was really stirring the pot yesterday with alot of trade talk...and he actually thinks contreras will still be traded..... last year maddux was traded for cesar izturis...now maddux was a FA at the end of the year and jose isn't, but considering how awful he has been and hes owed 10 mil, i can't see us getting anything more than a C prospect and hope like hell someone takes on the majority of his contract