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QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) Burger and Beer with a side of Fry.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) I just don't get how an entire board of adults can be so uneducated on the effects of domestic violence. My only hope is that you and your fellow posters are simply the outspoken minority. I hope to god more people here are just smarter because you are a scathing indictment on the education level of men in today's society. On the contrary, I am a mandatory reporter in the state of Illinois. I have been to numerous courses on the topic. However, I also have the same for psychological and emotional abuse as well, something I have a feeling you do not.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 12:02 AM) Went on the DL last pitching in late April with "Right elbow neuritis". From a little research it seems that rest is the first course of treatment followed by surgery if the condition does not resolve itself. Anyone have any more insights into how he's doing and what's up? This was going to be an odd one regardless of the White Sox odd treatment of injuries this year. Ulnar neuritis typically comes from the nerve stretching over the joint because the joint is loose. The joint shouldn't be loose due to the previous TJS. Also with the TJS, they typically due an unlar nerve transposition, where they take the nerve and move it from below the elbow to above the elbow. This will stop any chance of an irritation occurring due to scar tissue or stress in the area. Since the anatomy has been altered by surgery, it is difficult to know what is going on.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) Question....if you draft Hiura now, any chance he's healthy by May of next year if he gets TJS right away? If he gets the surgery right way, he'd probably be ready for some of winter ball.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:55 PM) He's such a snarky bastard. Stone mentioned yesterday that Robert, by consensus of the industry, would be a top 3 pick. Not from the consensus KLaw's sources.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Robertson''s value has increased, while his money has decreased and the Nats bullpen needs have greatly increased. The other side of this is that although they will owe him less money, they will also have him for a shorter period of time which decreases his value.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:27 PM) Yea man - you can do whatever you want... but for the first time in the 4 years you've been here I can say that your statements have been disrespectful and contradictory. You opened the door wide open for discussion by making a controversial statement which had merit... then shut the door. Respectfully said... Poorly done. I don't think he meant to shut the door just move it out of this draft thread. Discuss all you want, in the appropriate thread. At least that's how I took his comments.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 08:32 AM) Not to mention Robert has a lot of the same tools...so not quite the same amount of pressure to find a future CFer on Hahn right now. (And Basabe.) This is not a good reason to not draft someone. There are so many reasons as to why players don't make the MLB that it is poor policy to not draft someone just because there is a similar player in the minors. They should draft their highest rated person, period.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) Why does anyone expect Rodin to do anything but struggle? He had no spring training and is coming back from an arm injury, it takes time, How dare you attempt to post something with a positive spin. The White sox prospects are struggling. They are not doing well. there is no room for error.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) If we could be 3rd pick bad for about two years I would be really pleased. Hopefully that converts to fielding talent, but who knows That would mean most of the players the Sox have acquired are playing poorly. I'll take this year. But if the Sox are that bad next year, they need to start the rebuild all over again because the players they acquired suck.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) I'm not disputing that it looked like it hurt. Was just confused in regards to the way he exited the field and the rosy outlook reported this morning. Anytime there is point tenderness on the bone, they will treat it like a fracture and be extra careful. Most likely it's a "bone bruise" (even though those done really exist) but just to be safe someone probably told him this was the way they are going to treat it.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) I'd be shocked if Melky's next team plays him anywhere other than DH. He really is moving like he has some lower leg injury. He did not do this last year or at anytime I can remember.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) At least you recognize it. Good for you. There are people in my life who are ongoing victims of domestic abuse. There are people in my life that are victims of adultery. Adultery is awful. Adultery wounds run deep. I have a person in my life who lives with a man who abuses her. She is a shell of what she was. Her husband has stolen a piece of her and her children and she is essentially unable to continue. Your opinions on this make two things obvious: You have no idea what you are talking about and our education system has failed to teach you the damage caused by physical violence. The story is the domestic violence. The adultery is a compounding variable, but it's the violence that is the problem. I would say it's the opposite. You are using an instance which is horrible, which they all are, and applying it to all situations and all people. Everyone will deal with these situations differently. You cannot take one or a few examples and apply it to everyone and all situations. People are different. However, I go back to my original point. The comment of "no one cares about adultery" is a really sad comment on society. both are really stemming from the same problem, lack of respect for another human being, just acted upon differently.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Yet more sickening disrespect of Eddy Alvarez How do you come to this conclusion? This looks like a guy for AAA who could fill in if something were to happen to a middle infielder now. Alvarez would not be ready until next year or a Sept call up this year at best.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) I missed it, how did he hurt himself? Slid awkwardly into first base.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Just stop ptatc, we are out of our league on this. Let him, the expert, explain to us how its not even debatable...no one has even attempted to debate it in fact because its so silly. On bended knee, I concede.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) That's actually a different shade, DUP, which I think is pledged with the Tories. OOPs. I see the difference now. Retract those meaningless observations made by the crackpot in the corner. Too much time on his hands without courses to teach.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 10:22 AM) Cool breakdown from NYT on how Britain voted, with this nice graphic showing the shifts. Labour picked up a bunch in England while Conservatives stopped some of the bleeding by carving up rural Scotland. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06...s-analysis.html Red is Labour, Blue is Conservatives. One of the notable Labour gains last night was Canterbury, which has gone Conservative since 1825. The closest analog would be Democrats winning Oklahoma panhandle seats unexpectedly. Interesting on how Northern Ireland politics are changing. More with labour on the new vote as well as the new PM.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) The effects of domestic violence are far, far worse. Countless spouses are victims of domestic violence and feel powerless to do anything about it. Fear of physical harm is far greater than the heartbreak of adultery, to the point where victims of domestic violence try to cover up wounds, make excuses for abusive fathers, or are driven to suicide or worse. Turn off MLB.TV and read about these issues. Adultery is terrible, but it doesn't hold a candle to physically abuse. This is the point you are missing. It's not heartbreak. It's the total lack of trust and respect for another person that is the issue. Once someone has made a commitment to another person they place total trust in them. Once this has been broken, the ability to gain respect and trust in other people can be difficult to ever attain again. This can be more devastating than any physical abuse delivered to a person. You see this all the time in domestic abuse situation and why it's not reported as often as it should. The spouse rationalizes that "he hit me because I did something wrong and he still loves me." They rationalize it because the psychological damage of the spouse leaving and breaking the trust between them would be worse.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) Love this series. Thank you. Agreed. Especially in this rebuilding season, this series is one of the highlights.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Then there are many women who would rather have their husband cheat physically than have a psychological affair where the man really falls in love with another woman and shares every bit of himself...whereas he might have been closed off with his wife for a long period of time. That's yet another form of betrayal than can be even more impactful. Granted, lots of women in Thailand will try to cut off the man's you know what if they even suspect him of cheating...that type of jealousy is often common here in Asia. you've convinced me not to go there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) Which wrist did Moncada hurt? There has to be something physically wrong with him to go through a streak like this...where he was well above a 900 OPS a month ago and now sub 800. The best thing to do would be to shut him down (unless they can incontrovertibly prove no more damage can be done by playing through it)...for 2-3 weeks and bring him back when he's 100% healthy. This is the kind of issue that lingers on throughout the season if you're a Paul Konerko, because he could never sit due to the team competing every year. No there doesn't. Players struggle from time to time, especially young ones. There could be some lingering thumb issues. Baseball players don't usually have the luxury of waiting for injuries to fully heal. But that isn't necessarily the case.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) Have you REALLY thought about this or are you just allowing your favorite TV/Radio personalities sway your thinking about this subject nowadays? You are underestimating the damage and complete devastation that it can do to someone. Now every circumstance is different and there are different levels of physical abuse and many different dynamics to adultery. Some are worse than others and thats not what I am trying to debate. I just dont see for the life of me how you can just say "Aww get over it, we are all adults here" when someone gets cheated on by their spouse. Thats one of the most ridiculous thing i have read on here sometimes, mind you I dont read gregs stuff for the most part. Imagine some woman walking in on her husband who she thought was dedicated to her for the rest of their lives, banging some girl in their living room. A man who she stuck with through hard times. A man she made sacrifices for. A man she loved. Shes an adult though, she needs to suck it up. It's tough for some people to understand that sometimes the mental and emotional trauma is worse than physical trauma. It's not always the case but the mental part of healing sometimes takes longer. Even in a simple case in sports. I can't tell you how many times I've worked with a professional athlete who had an ACL tear for their first significant injury and was terrified to go back on the field. They don't show it outward but you can see the tentativeness in their movements. This is why you see some athletes take much longer to return to play than others. it's not that they aren't physically ready. it's that they will do more damage to themselves if they are too tentative on the field. They need to overcome the mental trauma of the issue. I'm not saying that this scenario equates to the domestic issues. But it's just an example for those who haven't experienced the issues of severe mental/emotional vs. physical trauma.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 7, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) call me a bleeding heart, but the "unfair situation" of taking a little from someone who has a lot, to give a little to someone who has nothing, is something I'm ok with. I understand that others aren't. But there we have the fundamental disagreement between Democrats and Republicans. This is the exact and basic issue and the two sides will have difficulty meeting due to it. Why should people be forced to give something they worked to earn to someone who hasn't earned it vs. these people need help and because society will be better if we raise the bottom up toward the middle, everyone else should help them.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 08:27 AM) Agreed. Also, the accusation is that he struck her in front of their children. If anyone here holds adultery and violence against women on the same level, they need to recalibrate their morality. My original comment wasn't that adultery was worse than domestic abuse. My response was to the comment that "no one cares about adultery." In my view that is still a sad comment on society. And more or less leads to much of the problems. Once someone loses respect for commitments and other people, the ball just starts rolling downhill.