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QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) JJ Stankevitz @JJStankevitz 13s #WhiteSox announce Charlie Tilson will begin the season on the disabled list. JJ Stankevitz @JJStankevitz now Tilson will be shut down for the next 3 weeks (no weight-bearing activities). Today's MRI again showed a stress reaction, no fracture... JJ Stankevitz @JJStankevitz now But there was a fair amount of inflammation present in Tilson's foot. Really, stress reaction AND inflammation, no way. Bone has no pain fibers, only the periosteum and the tissue around the bone. No inflammation, no pain.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) It's 3 weeks and try again. The history of this type of injury indicates that setting any timetable is foolish. Season hasn't even started and you're already trolling, or just your usual failure to read between the lines I guess. This isn't a pulled hamstring with a predictable time frame for recovery. It's also the type of injury where the players gets the go ahead for full speed and games and then suddenly doesn't react so well to game speed and has to rest more. I'll go ahead and bet you that he doesn't play in an MLB game before June. Take that bet? If you want me to be charitable I'll even go June 15th. I'll bet he does, unless he injures something else.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 04:58 PM) Might be a fluke injury but it's a s***ty injury because it's hard to predict how his pain will be and how the bone will heal. There's no magic fix where you go in and do surgery it's basically just trying to get as much blood into the area as possible (I'm sure they do rehab with him on it daily) and hoping rest brings the pain down to tolerable levels. At this point I'd be surprised if he plays before July in MLB. He'll need at least 4 weeks on a rehab assignment. Just bad luck for the Sox and Tilson. There will not be a surgery for a stress fracture in the foot. They also will not lety him play with a tolerable pain level. for this it needs to heal painfree otherwise you will get to a surgical possibility.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 01:44 PM) That was posted after Wright signed and before Wheaton signed. Bears did not sign 1 of the top 40 rated free agents, but they sure paid the guys like it. According to the earlier post there's a good reason for it. Everyone ran from the Bears like they are the plague (kind of accurate too)

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) It's deep but are they willing to trade two of their top 5 guys to get a deal done? It doesn't appear so. This appears to be the case for all teams, which is why a deal isn't done with anyone.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) I don't doubt your knowledge of the injury, but he hasn't played a baseball game in over 7 months. If it's going to take a few more weeks, then he's not ready for a major league season. He needs to play AAA baseball to rehab, and if he's ready, then bring him back. It's not like he's an established major league player. You are referring to different situations. I'm only discussing about when he can't get back to unrestricted activities not where he will be playing. They may determine that once he is ready to go, it may be at the MLB level. I'm sure he is still doing hitting drills and probably facing live pitching. He just can't run and play the field right now.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) So does letting it rest for a couple months (as opposed to a few weeks) not decrease the chance of it happening again? Not really. With this type of injury, they test it to see how it reacts to stress. It really won't get "reinjured" with just the tests. It may take a few months but they will test it every few weeks regardless. They won't just let it rest for a couple of months. The worst thing you can do to bone injuries is to totally rest it, unless it is a displaced fracture of course.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 12:09 PM) Agreed with that. He hasn't played in so long...Tilson needs to go to the minors when he's ready and proven healthy, then bring him back. It's like he got into a tough-guy mode and pretended he was healthy enough, but clearly he isn't. No. There usual procedure is to try a 3 week rest to see if it's more the stress reaction vs. more severe type of stress fracture. That's why they tried to work him at 3 weeks or so. It was still sore so they will probably wait another 3-4 to see how it reacts. It's what the process is for this type of injury.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 11:07 PM) I have a hard time seeing Colorado making any kind of huge moves like that at this point because a guy they just signed to a fairly large contract (for them) breaks his hand and will miss a few months... The length of time will depend on where the fracture is located. If it's in a metacarpal, he'll miss no more than 4 to 6 weeks. If it's in a darpal or wrist bone than it could be 8 to 12 weeks.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 04:11 PM) This post should be stickied. There has been one move in the last 45 years in the MLB. I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. No team in a market like Chicago is going to downgrade to a TV market like Las Vegas. What's market share between the cubs and Sox? Serious questions. Would they have a bigger share of just Las Vegas? They aren't going to move. Just an interesting question.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) Tilson back in a walking boot. Been 3 weeks and still having issues. Probably going to be shelved for at least 3 more now. Somewhere around 6-8 total if the 3 didn't help.

Instead of focusing on the JR hate that people love, the more immediate focus should be on his comments about Q. He states again that people don't think he is an ace and they will not meet the asking price because RH is asking ace value for him. I'm still fibe with keeping him as a piece for the rebuild but the posters who aant to trade him should be worried about the return.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 9, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) There's a ton of variables to this, but what if the Sox had a future lineup of: 1. Anderson (SS) 2. Moncada (2B) 3. Beer (1B) 4. Machado (3B) 5. Collins © 6. Abreu (DH) 7. Frazier/Rutherford (RF) 8. Robert (LF) 9. Mateo (CF) That would be insane. considering 2/3 of the lineup hasn't seen an MLB pitch, odds are it would be a poor lineup.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 04:18 PM) We should have a forum for "Beating a Dead Horse Talk". I'm offended by that term. It should be called Dirt surfing equine Talk

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) He was. I guess it worked though. But seriously, all of the pace of game things, batters should have to stay in the box if they take the pitch before. It's all mind games. As long as they allow it, some players will do it.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) Extremely short sided view of how to go about a draft IMO. If you think a QB is going to be good it definitely worth the 3rd pick. I am not saying take one just to take one but if you think he is good you do. If one of these guys wind up being good it will be one of the worst blunders on Pace's resume and hold the team back even further when they could have had their guy. Especially if its a guy that they actually liked but thought "oh well we cant take him because he isnt worth a number 3, he is really like a number 15-20 pick...oh and it will create a controversy within the fanbase" Sure it is. But you have a coach and GM trying to keep their jobs because of the past year.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:31 AM) Why should that stop them from taking a QB at 3? Because 1. no QB is worth the #3 pick and 2. they have greater needs elsewhere and they could start this year, helping the team.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) Glennon is no better than Cutler this is a lateral move at best. 15 million for a guy nobody else was going after. no matter how the money is divided in contract this is a major reach and overpay. According to sprotstrac the 15 million average makes him the 23rd highest paid QB.

QUOTE (shipps @ Mar 8, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) I couldnt disagree with you more. 1. Having a young QB learn the game before physically being out there every snap isnt a detriment to his development. 2. There isnt a guarantee that Glennon is going to be the starter the entire season whether it be injury or piss poor play. 3. Who cares about controversy within the fanbase? Its irrelevant. Fox wanting to win with a more experienced QB than a rookie is relevant though. With what happened last year, I don't see anyway a rookie has a chance to start this year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Levine said on radio today that he may only throw like 180 innings this year. If they are terrible, there's no reason to run him into the ground on a 100 loss team. This makes sense. Not only do they slowly increase his workload but it also allows one of the younger pitchers to get some turns in the rotation.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) He has made exceptions. Not many, but a few. If he ever was going to do this, now is the time. Most of the big boys are out, and it is really the last time for this situation. If the White Sox scouts think he is as good as advertised, not making an effort if he is declared befor 6/15 would be shameful. This is getting another key piece in a Sale, Eaton, Q trade for money. If the guy got Moncada money, I wouldn't blame the White Sox for backing out. But the restriction the next 2 periods as an excuse would be pretty sad. I agree with all of this. however, the odds of it happening aren't good because he doesn't do it often. As you said, hopefully he does see this as an exception.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 06:27 AM) It isn't outside the rules. No but you know as well as anyone that JR has always pushed to keep the league as a more fair playing field by restricting spending. If there are rules or practices to restrict spending (penalties) he will rarely go beyond this.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 4, 2017 -> 08:27 AM) 1. He's injured right now. He can't even get through Spring Training, because of an arm issue, or a tummy ache, or God knows whatever is causing him to have to "go slow" at the tender age of 24. 2. He actually will be 28 when Boras has him sign elsewhere. 3. 6-12 WAR over 3 years is a wide spread. 2 WAR/year is "just a guy," or an average starting MLB player, or roughly what Rodon has been hereto fore. 4 WAR/year is very much a difference maker, a stud, or slightly less than early Chris Sale as a SP or slightly less than what Quintana is now. Clumping the Gavin Floyds & Carlos Rodons together with the Chis Sales and Jose Quintanas over rates our now-injured SP, IMO. YMMV. And, I have to re-state that I was very much a fan when he was drafted, & I very much want him (and ALL Sox players) to do well. I simply don't get why he's considered by fans to be a core player. No he's not. They are delying his start of spring training so that he doesn't get over worked now. They expect more innings this season so they are easing him into the season. He will still make his start in the first week of the season, just not the first game. They did similar schedules with sale when he had arm issues the previous year. Proactively trying to prevent injuries is not the same as being injured.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) The other thing is they have always had the idea of spending on the big league roster and less in the minors side. With them now trading off of the big league roster and not adding players to it with any major financial deals they better be using the money in the minors including spending on international market Maybe they'll bank it for a couple of years so they can spend it on a couple of FA when they get good.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Hawkins is a bad miss. Anderson is a good pick. The issue is that Reinsdorf was against spending money on amateur players and KW loved tools, athletes. Drafting tools athletes is fine but drafting ones that also don't cost a lot of money isn't a sound strategy. They need baseball players and Hostetler drafted many guys with more traditional baseball and on base skills. He is on the record saying that he wishes he would have taken more high school guys and he even said they are looking at high school players in this year's draft. It has to be both is what I'm saying. You always want guys that play premium positions because those guys can play other spots. Nick Hostetler comes from the Schuerholz school of scouting. I would expect a focus to be on power pitching and athletes. Dayton Moore subscribes to the same theory and Chris Getz worked under him for years. I don't recall Hawkins or Walker or mitchell being players signed because they were cheap. So what you're saying is that they are going to stick with the same philosophy of drafting athletes just pick better and younger ones? This board should have a field day with this.