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QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Difficult task for Ranaudo, as the cubs take a lot of pitches. He really needs command tonight. Yeah, this will the downfall if he struggles. Will be interesting to see if anything he learned this time in the minors sticks or if he reverts to Nuke Laloosh and hits the mascot.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 04:06 PM) I think these forums are better than most areas of the internet for decent political discussion. We don't just toss memes back and forth. I really don't look at the others. For me, it's mostly the radio shows on either end of the spectrum as well.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) There are a lot of policy discussions on this forum, feel free to look them up. Policy doesn't always make the news every day, and we can discuss them as we like. I know but the majority, especially about the Presidential campaign is not. And it's not a bad thing either. Like i said it's entertaining.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) That is why I would never want to trade with Boston. I think they always felt they could get Sale for second tier minor league talent. Why? I have no idea. I said that earlier, that's why the LA deal was more exploring.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:44 PM) This is likely the heart of the matter. Or what teams don't want to get involved in. Arranging things for women, etc. The clubhouse manager does nothing like this.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) except xFIP has been shown time and time again to PREDICT future ERA better than just ERA itself. Everyone wants to point to the one outlier like Mark Buehrle and say see FIP is BS but they ignore the 9/10 where it predicts regression in ERA either way (up or down). SIERA is better.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) Robertson for Michael Taylor and mid-level prospect is my guess That makes sense. Either that or 2 A ball prospects.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) I think anyone who tries to rank one of these two above or below the other in honesty and character looks foolish. These two are cut from the same cloth. All you can look at are the positions and argue those. But to compare one against the other on any character scale is just scary. On this we agree. However, this board on politics is just as entertaining as the campaign. How many posts are there promoting a candidate or a position vs. tearing the other candidate down?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:31 PM) We've killed this topic. But I do find the whole thing fascinating. I can see this 75 years ago. Players weren't making much money, they didn't have Yelp or Tripadvisor. The travel was rough. "Hey kid, here's $3, go get me a burger and shake, keep the change." The players want their money to go to the clubbys, I get that. So the team bills them for 100% of their actual purchases and they are free to tip the staff as much as they like. The team pays the employees a livable wage and they follow applicable labor laws. But in today's world this just seems so silly and antiquated and in need of modernization. It's great that the players want to take care of these people, although my suspicion is more they want to make certain that the team isn't keeping any of the money the player's are paying. (Which is for stuff the team should be paying for anyway). This is it.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) Part of the old system is the CM takes the money from the players and gives it to a restaurant for the food and other expenses. Why is having the team pay the bills through their normal accounts payable system a problem for the players? Part of the old system are quasi team employees not under the direct control of the team. How that has been allowed to go on with modern employment laws, especially for underaged kids, is mind boggling. One article mentioned kids at the stadium at 1:00 am cleaning spikes. That has to be an exaggeration. Get all this on the up and up, allow the players to tip out the clubbys like they want. Have wages, accounts payable and accounts receivable go through the club. It's the most businesslike method of handling it. When the player's leave you can even give them a full accounting of where their money went. If this gets put into the player's contract I can't imagine any other system would be allowed. I'm beginning to wonder what else the players have him buy and do that they don't want teams to know. That is the only thing that is making sense to me. It's a problem for the players because after all the players because they want the money left over after the food cost to go to the clubbies not the team. If the food bill is 40%, the team keeps 20% and only 40% goes to tips. That is the basic issue. Even if the club returns the money to the clubhouse, how long does it take. Why go through all of the b.s. involved with moving money from one place to another to another. That's probably not an exaggeration but probably an exception. I've been there later than that working with players and I don't ever remember kids hanging around that long but they could. the teams know all about what he buys for the players. it's not like it's a secret. He is just the employee that handles all of those things. It isn't a random guy who isn't paid by the club to do it. It's really no different in football, it's just they don't travel as much so it isn't as personal. there is no reason to put any of it in a contract as again, it's not mandatory. They don't have to do it. They could make the travel secretary do it.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 10:17 AM) If Sale is traded, burn it all down. Give me Beck. If you're going to bad, you go mega bad. Get the prospects. Next year is a whatever year-- and see you in 2018 If you go mega bad it's see you in 2020.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 07:30 AM) Still kinda of surprised the Sox didnt give Fulmer a chance to spot start and haven't really used him out of the pen at all. Hope Ranaudo can keep it going, but not getting my hopes up. They need to control his number of innings. He would be in the bullpen in the minors if not in the mlb.

Sadness beyond words. Our prayers are with you all.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:53 PM) Hi there, it's the old guy again with the winning song for the day. I know all you young dudes ( Mott the Hoople) Won't be Fooled Again (The Who) by this new win streak. Then again it's so easy (Buddy Holley) to Imagine ( John Lennon) things being seen in a Different Light ( The Bangles) . Since the Sox have been this crazy team who can't decide if they suck or are good what we have is " Stuck in the Middle With You" by Stealers Wheel .Made famous by a scene in Reservoir Dogs I contemplated going with The Real Slim Shady (Eminem) or The Real Me (The Who ) since the Sox have this identity crisis . Rock on everyone Was that as good for you as it was for me ? It was excellent! But I had to add an "easy one you missed even in the wording you had.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) 3 = dont' fire guns at or near people. It's ok to fire guns NEAR people. Just not at them or inside your garage.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) They don't have the farm IMO. I was kidding but that's about what they need in order to truly make a run. Agree? Oh yeah, I agree. At the minimum they need to sell some pieces to get some hitters for the next couple of years.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) If Sale's untucked jersey looked like that, I think he may have a case.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) Add Lucroy, Bruce and then two relievers like Vizcaino and Rzep from the As and we're going to the playoffs!.....LOL I'm just kidding I know you're joking but they probably would but it would be stupid to give up what it would take for the chance, if they even have it.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) Why do the Cubs suck against the Sox? Old age and treachery beats youth and enthusiasm everytime (at least that's what I tell my kids).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:05 PM) THE BP CUP IS OURS!!! The brooms are out because the cubs are well on their way to sweeping the Sox as people were predicting Oh wait......

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) Perhaps because Lawrie might be going on the DL. That was my thought.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 08:25 PM) Where did you see that the clubhouse manager complained? Again, it's a silly system that worked 100 years ago. It was in one of the articles about him explaining it to the players which is why Sale and Eaton went to the Asst. GM. It is an old system but I started the whole discussion by saying I agreed with the players for protesting this change. And i still. that doesn't mean the system can't be better, i just don't agree with the current change.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Exactly. Like I said they are protecting an antiquated system that needs to go. Actually it could be said the Ms are taking the money and assuring the players are fed. They have hired employees who accepted the position with that pay structure. What we have here are customers refusing to pay because they don't like how the organization is run. Which is fine. Refuse the food, do your own thing. But if you are going to send the guy for food don't stiff the people who paid for the food you ate. For all we know the CM likes the new system. He's not handling the accounts payable for the food or payroll. He's just sharing tips plus he has a higher salary than he would have under their old system. Odd that the players are more worked up than the guy doing the job. Or here's an idea, hire your own guy to get you food in each city. Bypass team employees totally. Who in their right mind would take a job for one series at a time in a city that isn't tied to a team? That is really unrealistic. Again there are no customers here as the are not obligated to pay, it is totally optional. The others are possible options. However, the Sox were only protesting the way the Mariners changed it. If the Mariners changed it to one of the others they might not have protested it. They can't protest a change that wasn't made. if the clubhouse manager liked it, i don't think he would be complaining about it to the players.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) Absolutely don't give him away; nor Gonzalez. But if teams offer a premium, trade him. That said, if the Sox do move Sale, I'd be inclined to keep them to preclude more rush ups. I'd rather see Beck than a rush up. This is the way to go. Only trade if you get something of value.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Yea, Rogers or levine...one of those guys - says Sox love Benintendi. Falling in love with a specific prospect scares me a bit....could result in the belief of getting more value than the reality Agreed but getting a guy that can hit and field at a premium defensive position is really tempting.