Balta1701

The White Sox were totally willing to keep Eloy and Robert down for service time reasons, they used it as a negotiating tool. Moncada was kept down until after the Super 2 deadline. Kopech, Giolito, Lopez - all of them were brought up in the second half of various seasons. The White Sox used it in a different way, but they absolutely used the service time schedule as a tool. Worth remembering - Kris Bryant's agent is one Scott Boras, so he wasn't extending anything without a top of the market contract anyway.

Never considered Mookie Betts as a 2b option.

Got it, that makes sense with 2024 as a backup option on the protection.

Wait, the Bulls sent 3 firsts to Orlando?

Correct on the years.

At the very least they're a playoff team again, almost assuredly. I have no idea how good they'll end up being.

A change like that would definitely require an act of Congress. There's some potential loopholes that have been left where they could cancel a portion of it just by executive action, but fundamentally restructuring how they are billed - you need Congress for that.

His option will be picked up barring injury. However, it is entirely possible the White Sox could choose to cash out his contract by trading him in the offseason - everyone would admit that $30 million is a lot to spend on only 2 pitchers in a bullpen, and for a team with the White Sox's salary constraints that may just be unmanageable. I certainly hope not. Having watched this season, as I said above, the ability to use a dominant reliever in a high leverage situation, rather than saving that reliever for a save situation that often doesn't come, is a potential way to outperform your offense and starting pitching. The 2015 Royals, for example, compiled only about 36 fWAR - projections before the season started had them as something close to a .500 team - but they won the world series, in no small part because of their dominant bullpen.

Glasnow has 2 years of control left after this.

With the lack of other lefty options I don’t see at all how Eloy and Robert diminish the need for Collins. The only guys who can do that are Moncada and Sheets, maybe Goodwin, and Moncada is still not showing a big power game. If sheets continued putting up a big OPS, that could drop the need for Collins, but we need someone with splits against RH starters in this lineup.

So Madrigal was a 0?

Please intentionally walk Abreu more once Eloy is in the lineup?

I said this in the other thread…if he’s kept next year…he’s LaRussa insurance. How many games have the white Sox lost after the starter was pulled because they were saving Hendriks for a save or saving Bummer? Two of the games in the first series with LAA, the Foster gets shelled in the 6th game, the game where Tony didn’t know the rule book, the Heuer shelling against Milwaukee, Rodons start against the Astros, there was at least one with Crochet pitching the 10th, I think there was a Ruiz disaster somewhere in there, I think there is a Marshall collapse I’m forgetting, probably more. If you can use a Bummer or one of the big guys when trouble starts, a loss becomes a 50/50 game, and we’ve probably got 10+ of those this season where having this extra closer for LaRussa to use while still having someone get credit for the all important save stat could have major leverage on a win.

Well first, no team is ever 100% healthy. The 2015-16 White Sox were one of the healthiest teams I ever saw, and we saw injuries used as an excuse for those teams as well. So maybe an average team loses about 5 WAR in that guys numbers by this point in the year? Second, I don’t honk he explicitly takes into account how good of a player replaces the guy, he is evaluating how badly beaten up your team is, not how strong your bench is.

This guy's page is all copyrighted and locked, but he does share some details on Twitter. I've always found it to do a fairly good job of keeping track of how badly teams got hurt.

I agree with Rick Hahn.

Well, as of today it is 4 weeks since he suffered a 4-6 week injury, and we were told he was ahead of schedule, so I assume he’s at least starting a rehab stint?

So 2/3 of a season of Eloy Jiminez plus 1/2 of a season of Luis Robert equals only 3.7 WAR? That seems on the low side.

Aw hell no

What did they do to Eloy?

Exactly how someone drew it up?

Started the day at .440.

So who wants to bet the final score is not 12-10?