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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 29, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) If their preference is a college hitter, Adam Haseley, Jeren Kendall, Pavin Smith, Jake Burger, Evan White, and Keston Hiura all in that range. I'd be good with any of the 4 OF's including HS bats Jprdon Adell (Who Sox are very familiar with) and Austin Beck. On that note, I've seen Keston Hiura projected in the 15ish range, anyone a fan of picking him?

Anyone have any thoughts on mike Morrison at Kannapolis? Drafted last year and played on Coastal Carolina's NCAA title team. This year out of the bullpen he's sporting a 0.00 ERA in 25 innings.

At the end of the day all that matters is how he ends up playing, not what Badler or Law thinks. They, obviously, have the right to their own opinions however favorable/unfavorable, biased/unbiased.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 22, 2017 -> 05:39 PM) I just want to reiterate the need we get more production out of INTL scouting. Washington signed Robles for 225k. Atlanta signed Albies for 350k. Signed Acuna for 100k. NWe are prepared to send out a 1st round pick for players we could have identified ourselves. These aren't the crazy bonuses of players or even million dollar signings like Torres and Juan Soto. Drives me nuts how almost all of our trade targets were largely bargain J2 signings. Fair point but how many guys signed for 300k end up being nothing? Not exactly like your examples are representative of the average signing.

First home run on this highlight reel was a freaking tomahawk - wow. Looked kind of Vlad Guerrero like.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ May 22, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) Kopech needs alot more time in the minors before the Sox should even think about calling him up. He has only thrown 177 professional innings in his career so far, and has to work on cutting down on the walks. Nationals really are in a tough spot because they do not want to deal any more significant prospects after the Eaton deal. They might not want to, but it would be way worse to have a great team and not be willing to budge for a crucial bullpen piece. That team is not winning in October without a few more arms. No chance.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) Luis Robert is...well, let's say he's worth 2 WAR in his first MLB season, either next year or 2019, then an average of 4 WAR over each of his following 5 seasons. (I would estimate this as his 50th percentile outcome.) That's 22 WAR in total, or roughly $200,000,000 worth of value during his cost-controlled years. And the White Sox would pay around $50-60M total during the arbitration years, plus of course the ~$45M to sign him yesterday. So if Luis Robert is a 2-4-4-4-4-4 WAR player, the Sox, give or take a buck or two, will pay $100M for $200M worth of production. And if Robert turns into Matt Holliday with better defense & baserunning (in other words, prime Andrew McCutchen), then his value becomes more like $300,000,000 to $350,000,000. And this is not a pipe dream; it's more like his 85th to 90th percentile outcome. That would be nice to have. Molina lacks the potential for a bargain, but offers much more certainty due to tangible and intangible defensive and leadership contributions. Luis Robert offers the potential for a spectacular player for the indefinite future. I cannot stress this enough -- Luis Robert has more positives and fewer negatives than pretty much every other minor leaguer in every other organization. He's obviously a safer prospect than any pitcher. He has better plate discipline and general athleticism than Eloy Jimenez. He is distinctly bigger and stronger than Victor Robles and Ronald Acuna. He's a better defender and baserunner than Austin Meadows and has much, much more batting potential than Amed Rosario or J.P. Crawford. There is an argument to be made, and I'll make it in half a moment, that Luis Robert is now the #1 overall prospect in baseball. When evaluating elite prospects, you look for the red flags. Chunky physique, poor plate discipline, general excess of arrogance rather than a sturdy self-confidence, difficulty staying healthy, not young enough relative to levels of competition, shaky work ethic. Luis Robert has none of these troubling traits. By all appearances he's a humble, hard-working kid with a great health history and a track record of dominating older players in international competition over and over and over, since he was 14 years old. In short, he's the Cuban Bryce Harper, but without the swelled head or demented Pete Rose-worshipping father. Luis Robert is the investment you make. http://www.scout.com/mlb/cardinals/forums/...321&page=17 Would there have been a chunk of risk involved in signing Luis Robert? Of course! Every large contract comes with risks. After all, how much value has Adam Wainwright provided since the start of 2015? Perhaps 2-3 WAR, and most of that with his bat? So everything, even so-called safe contracts for established MLB veterans, involves some risk. But holy moly, the difference here is the upside with this kid. How much upside? Here's a quick comparison of Cuban Ciego de Avila teammates. In 2015 23-yr-old Jose Adolis Garcia batted .319/.399/.523 and was MVP of the league. In 2016 19-yr-old Luis Robert batted .401/.526/.687. And lest you assume that the league batting radically changed from one year to the next, here's a detail. In 2015 there were 20 hitters who exceeded a .900 OPS. The next year there were 20 batters who exceeded a .925 OPS. Barely statistically significant, if at all. Luis Robert is a guy -- if he stays healthy and enjoys merely a typical improvement curve over the next 4-5 years -- who could well be prime Matt Holliday, only with better defense and baserunning. At worst you're getting Hunter Pence Redux. And even that type of player would be well worth a $70-80M outlay, including all those fees and penalties. (And yes I meant to rhyme that. Mo hasn't completely destroyed all the poetry in my soul. Heaven knows he's been trying though.) Great day for the White Sox. Bad day in multiple ways for our local nine, not least of which due to Mo's (now ongoing) mis-valuation of where to make the largest investments. (And how exactly would that nearly $200M David Price contract be working out right now?) I'm super bullish on Robert, but I don't think anyone can credibly argue he's the best prospect in baseball given how much of a relative unknown he is now.

I don't care how bad the Nats bullpen is, how good Robertson is looking, it would be unfathomable IMO to deal Robles. That being said I really hope it happens, but it makes zero sense on a value basis

Wait a second, this should be worth 2x to the Sox. If this gives them 750k more space, and the tax is 1:1, then it should save them 1.5mil

QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 20, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) Great news.............I could careless they can't sign anyone next 2 years You can care less? Why? I couldn't care less, it's no big deal they can't sign anyone.

Fake account, not how you spell Badler, and 4 followers

Trade D Rob before his numbers have a chance to slip

Do you guys think we lost the window to trade Q in the near term? Performance down (albeit a small sample size), other possible contenders dropping out creating supply of other SP's to deal (Cueto, etc).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) The scary part is all of the posters who apparently think they know more about prospects than the White Sox, yet want the White Sox to go into a total rebuild. Maybe, part of it is just the fun of being a fan and keeping tabs of everything. You're obviously right that they have a full staff and do it a for a living, while we come here for entertainment and to BS about what's happening. It's been happening among fans of all teams since the beginning of sports.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 17, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Don't see many amateur scouts complaining about Tatis Jr. before the trade, or when it was made. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...9431&st=400 We are experts on hindsight and complaining here

Maybe I'm overestimating the return, but I feel like Soto AND Kieboom would be an absolute haul.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 15, 2017 -> 10:11 AM) Sox fans toeing a fun line of trashing the shields trade and being adament that Tatis is actually terrible and people are just trying to be provocative saying he could be a top prospect. We just all hope he won't turn out to be a stud even though we know the trade was bad regardless.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 14, 2017 -> 08:39 PM) He's slugging .712? Ooops, that was OPS. Corrected now.

Shine coming off a bit this year? 35% K rate and a 250/333/379 slash line so far

Chapman going on the DL, might NYY have interest in Robertson?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 13, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Call me crazy, but I think things finally start clicking for Giolito tonight. Ok, I'll bite. You're crazy.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ May 11, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Right. So the Sox didn't make a mistake is turning down a trade that was never offered to them. Huh? It sounded like Tucker/Martes WERE on the table, but we insisted on Musgrove too.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ May 11, 2017 -> 01:25 PM) I thought the rumor with Houston was that they wouldn't give up that package for Quintana. It wasn't that we turned down a package including Tucker and Martes. Correct me if I'm wrong. IIRC, we asked for Musgrove in addition to those two.

Well, based on the rankings we probably made a mistake if we turned down Tucker/Martes. Theres no way to know. Those two prospects could've just as easily fallen back like Giolito, but as of now that looks like a really good package for Q.

Avi probably isn't as bad as the last few seasons, but not nearly as good as this season. I would take a .280 clip from him.