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QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:39 PM) LOL did he really? That's pretty bad. "Prediction: The Red Sox would love to acquire Frazier and closer David Robertson to be Craig Kimbrel’s setup man, but it would cost No. 2 prospect Jason Groome and No. 9 prospect Michael Chavis. If they instead take reliever Tommy Kahnle and Frazier, they would have to give up only Chavis and a fringe prospect." IMO that overvalues Robertson and undervalues Kahnle

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) I thought Nightengale had them getting Groome and Chavis? Kahnle would make up most of the value of that package (over Frazier). I tend to think you're right that he hasn't gone unnoticed. The stuff and numbers are way too good to just brush off. Also have to believe some of the scouts supposedly checking out Robertson (there's been a crazy amount) are there for Kahnle or both. Robertson is a pretty known quantity. Seems overkill to have scouts all over the sox if it's just that. He said Groome and Chavis for Robertson and Frazier. Then he said they'd settle for Kahnle and Frazier for just Chavis. I don't think we would make that trade.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...jor-trade-chip/ Sullivan thinks we should trade Kahnle and thinks the return should be pretty good if we do. Says he's really surprised that there's been no reported interest in him. This isn't news or anything but I agree with Jeff that the return should be solid, we should be able to get at least one top 100 prospect for him, and I don't think it necessarily would be a guy ranked near the bottom of that list either. I agree that he's much more valuable than people think now. For instance, I don't buy the Nightengale "throw him in with Frazier" and only land Chavis. I also agree that teams are seeing these exact stats, he ISNT going unnoticed by them. Excited to see what we get for him.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) Heyman saying lots of teams asking Yanks about Rutherford. I'm not big on regret and looking back, but I think we're going to really kick ourselves for not picking Rutherford.

We should actually be thankful for the Cubs. The last things we wouldve wanted is to hang on to Q after the trade deadline and go into the winter with him. It was very clear that Houston balked at including Tucker & Martes, and likely was offering very underwhelming packages. It is also telling that Hahn reached out to Epstein. It tells me that he didn't love the offers he had, and that they loved the Cubs' prospects. But overall, that response above is kind of baffling. We received a freaking top 5-10 prospect who could be a middle of the order masher for years, plus Cease. It's very very difficult to nitpick what Hahn did, unless someone is hellbent on being butthurt about Q going to the Cubs.

I can't see any way we get Groome for Kahnle and Frazier, but I hope I'm wrong

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:25 PM) Kyle Tucker pulled from tonight's game. I really think Houston thought they'd wait out Hahn and get Quintana. Wouldn't surprise me if they're scrambling internally now.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:38 PM) I suspect it's already done, or it ain't happening. This thing is too dirty now. After an hour of twitter rumors? Lol

What's everyone thinking for return? A top 7-10 prospect in Boston's system and a top 15-20?

btw, what's the Sox payroll down to at this point?

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) When giving up a talent and value like Jose Quintana, I would think the Sox should have gotten at least one player back that is just about MLB ready. I wish that along with Cease and Jimenez the Sox would have gotten back someone like Candelario or Happ or Schwarber. I know Jimenez is a highly rated prospect as is Cease, but being so far away from the major leagues makes them a very risky return for a proven talent like Q who is under control with such a reasonable contract. I know I'm almost alone in my opinion by the ecstatic reaction of almost everyone here to the trade. I wonder if the Seattle fans were this excited when the Mariners acquired Jeremy Reed + for Freddy Garcia, who was to become a free agent. Again, not knocking the potential of Jimenez and Cease, just would have liked at least one proven major league ready player to go along with them for a proven commodity like Quintana, one of the best and most consistent left handed starters in baseball signed to a bargain contract for several more years. The fact that he's the 5th rated prospect in baseball and only at single A should tell you something. White Sox surely could've had someone closer to MLB ready but IMO that can give you a false sense of security, particularly since we don't need someone ready to start next season. Finally, I think the Jeremy Reed comparison is poor in terms of talent comparison and ironically shows how some "MLB ready" prospects can fool you.

These trades aren't even over yet! Sure we're not getting another Moncada or Jimenez, but we'll get real value for Robertson, Swarzak, and others.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:35 PM) After he dominates the Sox in about 2 weeks i'll be over this shock,until then gonna suck real bad. He will throw 7 innings of three hit ball with no runs. He will leave up 2-0, and Sox will score 3 in the 8th and 9th to leave him a ND.

I really hope he does well for the Cubs. It would suck for him if he struggles and gets an insane amount of scrutiny since they dealt such good prospects.

Not to mention lower ranked guys like Adams who have surprised. THere's starting to be some nice depth.

I'm old enough to remember when people thought we'd be disappointed by the return for Q

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) The Nationals. That's basically their whole system. For both that doesn't seem like an unreasonable ask imo, or unfair for either side.

Quintana and Robertson for Robles, Soto, Kieboom, and Fedde. Who says no?

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) It's their 2nd, 3rd and 6th best prospects for a SP who's ERA is 4 and WHIP is 1.3. Nice logic

Does that writer think Quintana will come free?

I say good for Tyler Flowers. There's guys who haven't panned out elsewhere who have done so with the Sox, and vice versa. Hopefully for his sake he'll get a decent contract and make some nice $ for when he's done playing.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article....campaign=buffer Some selected ones from BP's midseason top 50 1. Yoan Moncada, 2B, Chicago White Sox Why He’ll Succeed: Moncada is a true five-tool player, with potential plus or better grades in all five slots. Slot that in at an up-the-middle-spot, throw in a dash of 70-grade pop, and you have the recipe for a perennial all-star. Why He Might Fail: Moncada may end up more of a four-tool player, and when the missing tool is hit, the profile can get volatile. There’s potential for a lot of swing-and-miss here, and while a .230 or .240 hitting second baseman with pop is still a regular, it’s not an impact one. There’s also more true ‘bust’ potential than you’d like as your number one prospect, but hey, we put a pitcher who immediately blew out at one preseason. Risk doesn’t bother us. 4. Victor Robles, CF, Washington Nationals Why He’ll Succeed: Hey there, it’s another potential five-tool up-the-middle player. Robles is a sure shot centerfielder whose plus-plus speed will cause havoc on the bases and hoover up balls on the dirt. Oh yeah, he can really hit too, and some evaluators think there is average-or-better power to come. That’s a monster player. Why He Might Fail: The offensive tools require a fair bit more projection than the defensive ones, and Robles may end up more of a Manny Margot type. Actually it feels like we wrote almost this same entry about Margot last year. 8. Eloy Jimenez, OF, Chicago Cubs Why He’ll Succeed: Jimenez is the first prospect on our list that is likely to end up pretty far right on the defensive spectrum. So you’d expect a hell of a bat. Jimenez looks like he will deliver with thirty home run pop and more hit tool utility and approach than you’d expect from the still-accurate-descriptor “classic right field profile.” Why He Might Fail: Jimenez is the first prospect on our list who is likely to end up pretty far right on the defensive spectrum. So there better be a hell of a bat. 11. Ronald Acuna, OF, Atlanta Braves Why He’ll Succeed: He’s 19 and mashing in Double-A, after mashing in Advanced-A, after mashing in A. The tools back up the performance and he’s closer to the majors than you think. He might end up sacrificing some hit for pop, but he potentially pairs that with a centerfield profile. And it’s significant pop. Why He Might Fail: In five years he has a chance to be 24, and the swing-and-miss might eat up his offensive value while the body forces him to right field. 12. Juan Soto, OF, Washington Nationals Why He’ll Succeed: He’s been dubbed “The Dominican Bryce Harper.” You really need more? Okay fine, it’s a classic right field profile with a short stroke that portends continued good contact and produces surprising pop. Maybe he’s not Bryce Harper, but Nomar Mazara sure seems possible. Why He Might Fail: Nomar Mazara actually hasn’t been great yet? Now we think both Mazara and Soto will get there in the end, but you have to hit an awful lot to be a good right fielder. 14. Kyle Tucker, OF, Houston Astros Why He’ll Succeed: After having everyone tell me the power would come this offseason while I gave them the side eye, welp, here it is. Why He Might Fail: He’s played more and more right field each year, and power against Double-A arms may not translate to better ones. The old school swing plane is unusual enough that major league arms might be able to exploit it. 22. Fernando Tatis, Jr., SS, San Diego Padres Why He’ll Succeed: The plus power/speed combo ends up carrying the profile at whatever position he ends up. And hoo boy are the early returns there encouraging. Why He Might Fail: That position is unlikely to be shortstop and there is risk that he whiffs enough that the power doesn’t play in games, and he isn’t on base enough to utilize his speed. 25. Michael Kopech, RHP, Chicago White Sox Why He’ll Succeed: The 105 report may have been a wonky gun, but Kopech is no stranger to triple digit heat, and he may have the highest sitting velocity of any pitcher at any level, majors or minors (sorry Thor). There’s a plus slider lurking in the profile too. He doesn’t need much of a change or command bump to be a scary starting pitching prospect. Why He Might Fail: He does need a change and command bump though. And while you don’t need to be too fine with 100-mph gas, Kopech has struggled to throw strikes with his arsenal and has already set a career high for IP in a season in 2017. There’s legitimate questions about his ability to start, and 100 mph and a plus slider isn’t as special in the pen as it was even five years ago. 31. Lucas Giolito, RHP, Chicago White Sox Why He’ll Succeed: I mean, it will look really bad if the only OFP 8 reports we have in the archive are all Giolito and he’s just a setup dude. So here’s hoping the stuff is starting to come back as reports have indicated. Why He Might Fail: Well, we now have a few years of reports that the fastball velocity is down, the fastball command is fringy, and the curveball command is worse than that. There is no such thing as a pitching prospect, I have been told, and a late-inning reliever outcome doesn’t look so bad now. 42. Alec Hansen, RHP, Chicago White Sox Why He’ll Succeed: He’s a big, durable righty that projects to have a plus fastball, plus curve, and average change. Yes, we are still in that mid-rotation starter range. Why He Might Fail: The change isn’t there yet, the command isn’t there yet. He might be better suited to relief. You know the drill here.

Any chance we see Adams in AAA this season?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 3, 2017 -> 05:12 PM) Let's just stop the political talk here and now. This is a baseball thread. To be fair it's not a political statement, merely a factual comment that VZ is a socialist state.

It's really irrelevant if the Nationals can get through this season. Once they hit the playoffs this bullpen gives them zero chance. So they have to do something, it's not even an option. Amazingly, each day it seems to get worse and worse. I think we'll end up landing either Soto, Fedde, or Kieboom.