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QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 05:36 PM) Yep, it'll say, "If you struggle down the stretch, we'll throw you under the bus." That's a message that will endear every prospective free agent to the White Sox. DFAing players out of spite at the end of August (with no tangible benefit to your organization) may sooth your anger and make you feel like a tough guy, but it's a really stupid way to run a baseball team. In your opinion, yes. In my opinion, no.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 05:26 PM) Yeah, I'm sure. Which would be absolutely pointless, with the rosters expanding on Tuesday. Again, what you view as pointless would serve as a warning and kick in the ass to most other people.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 03:45 PM) Jose was their best option today. Not based on stuff or "2005nes" (whatever the hell that means). Who did you want, Carlos Torres? The minor leaguer who walks a ton of batters? Yeah, he would have won the game today against the Yankees in NY. Give me a break. Or would you have rushed Hudson up and threw him to the dogs in NY today? The guy who has struggled somewhat throwing an excess of pitches in his firt couple of AAA games? Smart. And to call up either one of those guys to pitch the Sox would have had to cut or DL someone. Who would you have cut? Lillibridge? Then they have no backup infielder. I know, you'd cut Contreras, right? That's the kind of classy thing a guy like you would do, I'll bet. Carrasco has excelled in the role he's been in, no need to mess up one of the two solid spots in the rotation just to spite Jose Contreras. And yes, there was a time when Contreras was the best pitcher on the Sox. Jose is a good man, was a great pitcher for the Sox for a period of time and led the Sox to a World Series Championship. He made a miraculous comeback from a potentially career ending injury and had some good games earlier this season for the Sox. To me, you don't kick a guy like that to the curb in late August, just to bring up a minor league pitcher who is likely to lose anyway. If Peavy was ready, Jose would have been out of the rotation and relegated to the bullpen. But since Peavy couldn't go, Jose was the best option to start today. Even in hindsight after the results of this game, he still was the best option. I expected the Sox to lose this game, although I did hold out some hope that Jose could have pitched one of his gems. He didn't pitch well. Big deal. I'm not a sore loser. Now I'm going to enjoy the rest of the day while you can brood about Jose Contreras ruining your life. Whoa. I almost want to stop reading right there. Having Carrasco start wouldn't be to spite Contreras, it would be to give the Chicago White Sox a better opportunity to win a baseball game.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) I agree. These guys need to get called out. Calling players out is a lot different than permanently benching or DFAing them with a month to go in the season. But since you've obviously never managed another human being in a work environment before, I wouldn't expect you to know the difference. Don't take it too seriously. It was a joke. But the things that Ozzie said do lead me to believe someone will be off of the team very soon. Also, my current job has me managing multiple human beings.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) Today was just an awful game. It really makes you not want to watch this team at all. Very sad. I haven't watched 3 of the last 4 games. The only reason I watched last night was because it was on the TV in front of me at the bar.

QUOTE (DonkeyKongerko @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 04:57 PM) Ozzie's response That is awesome. But this might be a mistake. The veterans on this team who have played for years and contributed to this team's World Series victory will be very upset and now nobody will sign here or accept trades to the South Side.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 04:15 PM) Today's performance should give this thread a boost. One hit against Sergio Mitre and Chad Gaudin at the best launching pad in baseball is not very good. Although, at the same time, I think this team has just quit in general, which goes far beyond the hitting coach. Oh yeah, definitely.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 03:35 PM) Clearly Ozzie hasn't had CPR training because his team has been choking on a division about as tough as mashed potatoes for quite a while now and it's almost flatlined. I don't like a lot of Ozzie's in-game decisions and I think he's overrated as a game manager by Sox fans. But I love his attitude and fire most of the time, and those I think are the most important qualities in a manager, so he should stay. But he needs to f***ing blow up on this team and seriously start threatening jobs. The absolute WORST thing he can do is allow this s*** to be acceptable. Link, Nunez, Torres, Harrell, Whisler, etc. are already ON the 40-man roster. It doesn't matter whether they'll do well or not either. The Sox need to start sending messages by demoting players to Charlotte, and that should start with Contreras and Linebrink. Ozzie needs to make it known that jobs aren't safe. Sit Dye for a whole series. Send a f***ing message at least. I've been saying this for a while now. The players do not receive any comeuppance for lack of production and even effort.

Wouldn't that make them literally untradeable rather than "essentially" untradeable?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) LOL, that is Arnold Schwarzenegger in the middle, obviously Andre on the right, and Arnie's co-star from Conan the Destroyer(in his costume), Wilt Chamberlain. Oh wow. I wouldn't have ever guessed it was Arnold. The picture is so small that he honestly looks like HBK to me.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) At least Dye and Konerko weren't this bad back then. That is true, but their good numbers were offset by the likes of Fields, Lillibridge, Betemit, etc. receiving regular playing time.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 02:28 PM) Sorry I didn't answer. I definitely feel that way since the ASB. Oh man, I've felt this way since the beginning of the season.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:35 PM) How many other people on this board notice that there is AT LEAST one game per week where you just give thanks that the White Sox weren't no-hit? This is one of them. And I am as serious as I can be, there is one a week. Seriously, am I the only person who feels this way? I actually take solace on a weekly basis that we achieved not being no-hit.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:58 PM) You don't fire the hitting coach because the aging sluggers in the middle of the lineup aren't producing. The only "message" that sends is that Kenny and JR will throw their coaching staff under the bus when the players don't produce. You're going to have difficulty convincing a good hitting coach to accept a job with the Sox when they have that reputation. Doing something for the sake of doing something is an emotional, illogical, and unprofessional approach to running a business. I understand that this is your opinion, but it happens in baseball fairly often. Hell man, Walker's been on this staff for how many years now? At least five. That's probably a pretty good tenure for a hitting coach.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:55 PM) Out of our entire pitching staff I think we only have 5 guys worth keeping for next year, not counting Glass Joe in the minors. Floyd Danks Buehrle Carrasco Thornton My thoughts exactly.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) Guys, I see absolutely NO WAY we trade Alexei in the offseason. No way. The reason is the guy seems to be a .275 20 and 80 guy in the MIDDLE INFIELD making only ONE MILLION per year. How much would we pay for this production at the middle infield in the market? We need guys like this to offset the big contracts of Rios, Peavy, Paulie, etc. This guy is a bargain. That said, I agree, move AR back to 2B (I thought he was above average there last year) and Beckham to SS. Dye to DH and get another outfielder. 3B to be decided My .02 Dye is not coming back.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) Yeah, no kidding. This team has awful fundamentals. I honestly can't see Nix in the 2010 starting lineup at SS or 2B. He's looked average-to-below-average at 2B and was nothing short of a butcher at SS. And it's really unfortunate, because he has a ton of fielding talent, a lot of power at the plate, and is hitting relatively well right now. He's clearly the better option over Getz

How many other people on this board notice that there is AT LEAST one game per week where you just give thanks that the White Sox weren't no-hit? This is one of them. And I am as serious as I can be, there is one a week.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 01:28 PM) Is it just me or do the sox all of a sudden look like David in the David vs. Goliath battle. We look like some epic underdog that just cant really do anything right and are trotting out supreme less talent. I mean not only does it look the sox cant get out of their own way at any given point, but this recent east coast road trip has just really shown how much less quality of players we really have. Not like its surprising that when you trot out guys named Garcia, Contreras, Linebrink, Randy Williams, etc you get your butts kicked, but this is getting ridiculous. Though some of me is really glad its happening right now after hearing KW saying how underachieving this team is. Its becoming more apparent that they are not that underachieving, they are just not that good of a squad. Their are way too many scrubs on this roster, period. The good news is its not masked under the crappy AL Central anymore, its out there for all to see. And now Kenny & Co. see just how much needs to be changed and improved next year to have a chance. No more aging pitchers whose Velocity is way down, no more Pitchers who cant field their position, no more talentless No Names in the bullpen, possibly no more Alexi at short, the possibility of not bringing back both Dye and Thome, looking for more hit for avg, less power, less slump prone like players. Its all out there for us and the mgmt to see. I actually think this recent east coast butt kicking might be good for the sox, it could just simply force some "Good for the sox" changes. You kind of rambled there for a while , but I think I got the majority of what you were getting at. The bold part is the most important part and yes, I agree with you on it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:55 PM) I predict Jose pitches well tomorrow. Hahahahaha.

Just looked at the score...ha.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 12:26 PM) I think KW's offseason was as bad as Hendry's and his in season moves have done nothing for this team except screw the chemistry of the team... although we cut payroll our opening day roster sucked. Even though we cut the crap in Betemit, Colon, Wise, Anderson, Fields, Macdougal (now tearing it up in Washington) Lillibridge (til Getz injury) we're under .500 again. We added 10mil plus in salary in Rios (nothing so far), Peavy (hurt), Pena (bad), Kotsay (ok), Pods (great move, def luck), Castro (not much better than Corky), Sweatry Freddy (1 good, 1 bad start).. I don't get why he wanted to give all the young guys a chance then a few months into the season dump them because he thinks we're in a pennant chase (.500 record?)... We've traded away and gave away Poreda, Richard, Allen, Brian Anderson, Lance Broadway and I don't think we would be any worse if these guys were still on the roster getting major league playing time. That goes to show that BIG changes need to be made next year and I think they will. I think this team is gonna go for a world series next year. I think some bold moves will be made this offseason, and I think Dye will be gonna, Jenks will be gone, Pods will be gone, and a move like trading one of Floyd/Alexai/Konerko will be made. I think he will sign a long term RF, lots of bullpen help for cheap, , and keep Kotsay to platoon with Thome at DH and play OF/1B. He will also resign Wise and trade more prospects. Wow, you really hate everything Williams has done recently.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 06:57 AM) Bischoff's contract came up and Vince pulled a "You're FIRED" skit out of his hat containing 3 tricks. Bischoff stated that he wanted to do other things and he tried to do that Celebrity Wrestling Association show with Hogan among other things. If Bischoff wanted to come back to WWE, I think Vince would hire him on in a second. Bischoff is a complete heat magnet whenever he is on the screen, the crowds hate his guts and he eats it up. Who are the people in your avatar? It looks like HBK and Andre the Giant in the middle and on the right, respectively. I can't figure out the guy on the left, though.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 11:41 AM) "Hans Landa" is a barrel of monkeys. Such a great character. The more I think about the movie, the more I love that performance. I'm pretty sure it's etched in stone that Waltz will get an Oscar nomination, but I'm not sure which one it will be. Knowing that Brad Pitt was supposed to be the main actor in the movie makes me think he'll get the supporting nod, but the fact that he won best actor at Cannes and that he clearly stole the show and had the most screen time pushes me to think best actor.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 04:47 PM) I've called for a ton of guys to get moved on. I was just responding to the f*** Paul Konerko post cause I think that is harsh. IF we want to turn the page and go another direction, I agree. Afterall, I've been calling people out for a long time and coming up with whacky trade ideas almost every season I've been a part of this site. Good post by the way Milkman and I agree with what your saying. Thanks, and is there a feature on the site that will automatically start all of my posts with "With all due respect"? I may want to run with that.