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QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 04:09 PM) Right, like this year. Exactly. We are predominantly an old team with key players becoming worse and worse. We get beat by good teams and will perhaps crawl into the playoffs via lack of competition in our division. Instead of addressing the glaring issues with the team, we should just do the same exact thing next year when many of the players will be even worse. You're looking at the glass half full, I'm looking at a glass half empty. Either way, it's halfway filled with s***.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 03:19 PM) So because the division was poor, this season results doesn't matter? Wonder what Cards fans would say about that. You said the Sox should have started to "rebuild" after 2007. The 2008 team was in 1st for over 3 months, and as I type this, can still make the post season by winning 3 games. If someone told me those facts after 2007 ended, I would be very upset if Williams decided to "rebuild", as would most Sox fans. So, we'll get older and worse, and hope that the other teams in the division have more bad, fluke seasons. Cool.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 03:48 PM) Looking at his career I see a mediocre pitcher with a ton of Ks. Nothing more. He also pitches well on bad teams, and pitches badly on good teams.

QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) I still don't believe javy's recent struggles have anything to do with big games. His so called "s***ting the bed yesterday" happened on good pitchers pitches and balls. He was pitching well and got hit anyway. Someone tell me how that is big game related. Look at his entire f***ing career. He is a loser, an L-7 weenie.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 12:37 PM) And the Sox are entertaining game 162, still controlling their own destiny for the playoffs. And once again, this is purely due to the fact that the division is laughably bad. We're not a serious contender in the least. That won't change by next season.

On what could be the last game of the year, nobody is in chat?

QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 12:49 PM) The only people I see gone are Cabrera, Crede, and Griffey. Then possibly Anderson. I don't see where or how we could trade Konerko, Thome, Vazquez, or Dye (i.e. the most logical guys you'd like to dump from the roster). The combination of big money, no trade clauses, and crappy performances means they'll be difficult to move. Swisher is a guy who would be easy to trade, but then KW's ego won't let him dump Swisher so quickly and for a much smaller return than what Williams gave the A's. I think this team won't change much. 2009 might get ugly. Sadly, I think you're completely right. Hell, we wouldn't rebuild after a terrible 2007. There's no way KW won't go for it again after competing in 2008.

I voted for 17 people. f***ing crazy.

QUOTE (Shadows @ Sep 28, 2008 -> 04:52 AM) How is it being bipolar? This team basically pissed the division away pending a miracle (based on how we've played recently) We should all be angry and upset with them, I think that's pretty justified with how its gone down Exactly. And if you bleed black and silver, you should consult a physician.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Maybe AJ went out and told Javy the truth, told him he's pitching like a pussy and to grow a pair. Ha, funny how quickly everyone has turned on Vazquez, as though it wasn't apparent that he was a career loser before recently.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 10:06 PM) This may be the least liked White Sox team, by its own fans, in history. I agree with this statement 100%.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 27, 2008 -> 08:42 PM) "Lakeview Terrace" was ok. Nothing special. Kind of movie that reminds you that Sam Jackson can act and is a great bad guy. Thing is, I'm not sure if I hated him or not until the end. I have absolutely no desire to see that movie, and I won't. But, I noticed that Ebert gave it four stars. Can you explain why that might be?

RIP.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 03:02 PM) I'm trying to find somewhere for Thanksgiving actually. I want the whole "American" experience on that day. Otherwise it'll be a buch of Brits and me trying to cook a turkey in an oven. Hey, I'd invite you, but I honestly have no idea where I'll be for Thanksgiving. It'll either be back home in Chicago, at my girlfriend's, or at a friend's.

Yes, it is now over.

I'm sick and tired of people saying that we shouldn't be upset or angry that we didn't win the division because "we were picked to finish in fourth place." The people who are saying this are the same people who would've asked in the beginning of the year what these "analysts" know, and say, "that's why they play the games." But, now that the Sox have fallen apart, it's "let's not get angry because this is better than what ESPN told us would happen." f*** that. Kenny Williams told us that he would not rebuild, and that he would put a team out there to try to win the division. That didn't happen. This year was a failure, period.

QUOTE (alexgtp @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) White Sox have surpassed everyones expectations. How is that being a failure? They were picked to finish last. This board picked them to finish 3-4. I A division title would be nice. A WS title even better. I for one an estatic at how well the Sox have performed this year. I will be at the games all weekend rooting my team into the post season. This board really needs to be more positive. You know, I would buy this dumb ass argument if the team and management openly said at the beginning of the year that they believed they would finish in fourth or fifth place. Just because some analysts said we were supposed to suck, and then we didn't, and then we choked away the year, does not mean this year wasn't a failure.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 12:03 PM) Can I come to your house for Thanksgiving? Strangely, I never cook for Thanksgiving. I like to just make the Thanskgiving-type meal randomly.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 11:26 AM) Failing miserably is what the Mariners did this season. If the Sox win 2 games in Minnesota, none of this is being talked about. I don't know if "heads rolling" is really necessary. So because other dumb organizations make irrational moves, the Sox should follow? You purposely altered my statements. I didn't say organizations that fire their coaches are dumb. Sometimes managers/coaches have to be fired, even if they had a nice streak of winning. When teams fail, the people who are in charge of the team have to pay the price. They know it, that's how it works in professional sports. And the White Sox have faded down the stretch in every season since 2000 besides on year. That is consistent failure, and someone needs to get the axe for that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) Sounded more like a reference to Bobby Jenks. What? I was clearly referring to Danks. How in the f*** was Jenks our best pitcher throughout the year? Danks has that locked up, even if he gets blown out to end the season. I'm saying it was a f***ing retarded move to purposely avoid starting Danks in that series.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 25, 2008 -> 10:50 PM) I really have a hard time blaming the coaching staff. I am really torn as a Sox fan right now. I really am impressed with what Williams did this off-season after a terrible year, but at the same time, the team is one of the most one dimensional teams I have ever seen watching baseball. Walker coaches these guys to not only play to their strengths, but to the ballparks strength. It just so happens most of the lineups strength is built around an all or nothing approach. As I have said, the Sox need some different style hitters to mold around the power. That's not the point. When a team fails miserably so consistently, heads have to roll. Coaches are fired all the time, even if they don't really deserve it, because a statement has to be made. Walker, at the very least, needs to go.

QUOTE (aboz56 @ Sep 25, 2008 -> 10:28 PM) Considering we were expected to finish fourth in the division, I would hardly call the season a failure. Now these past three games were definitely a failure and that's putting it nicely. I have nothing against you, aboz, but I hate that way of thinking.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 26, 2008 -> 01:11 AM) That sounds about right. The Sox should be ashamed to have to cheer for the Royals this weekend. The scoreboard watching should be over. If this is a surprise to anyone, they haven't followed the team. Cabrera was gone in June. Yes, it failed. I'm not going to blame Ozzie for trying his hand with his "horses". Blame could be put on Williams for not having a real backup plan after Contreras, but whatever. If you are going to go down, I would rather it be with the guys that got you to first place. The Sox are going to end up with Cano, and the package is going to be centered around Swisher. Call it a hunch. Everyone was calling for urgency, and praising Gardy for playing the 7th game of the World Series. Again, Ozzie was using the best he had, and was going to go down with it. I would rather loose with Jenks than Dotel getting lit up. Comparing him with Rickey Henderson should get him fired, I don't care how good Gomez looked. Well, I posted way more than I wanted to tonight. O well. Such as the man who was consistently our best pitcher throughout this entire season (minus about 4 games)?

I love to make full turkey dinners, and I'm not kidding.

f*** this loser team in its ass. They're a joke. An absolute joke. f*** them.