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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 16, 2008 -> 06:06 PM) People better be in chat because I'm going to be loaded by the time the game starts. looking forward to this Lets see some Chat Crew

Any word on Uribe? Is he out of the lineup tonite?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 16, 2008 -> 12:49 PM) Thank you, that makes a bit more sense. I was wondering if you were planning on playing a 4 man outfield

QUOTE (Kalapse @ May 16, 2008 -> 12:16 PM) I definitely agree with Wite, we shouldn't see Konerko at all in this series and Thome maybe in a pinch hitting role. Swisher's versatility makes things a whole lot easier and after watching Anderson save 3 or 4 runs with his play in CF during the Seattle series I'd hope Ozzie would play him all 3 games in one of the biggest parks in baseball. Cabrera, SS Pierzynski, C Quentin, RF Dye, LF Swisher, 1B Crede, 3B Anderson, CF Ramirez, 2B Floyd, P fixed

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 16, 2008 -> 04:09 AM) Sox r haz one 2 in row like zOMGZ!!!11!111!ELEVENTY Seriously, Thome will be sitting, Konerko should be sitting, Swish should be at 1B and Anderson should be in CF...if that's as so, Gavin could have himself a day. If Konerko's at 1B and Swisher's in CF, Floyd better strike someone out every inning and not walk many because the defense won't be what it could be, especially in a bigass park. WAIT, I R THAWHT SOX R TRADED 4 SANCHEZZ R.? Yeah hit his punkass around for a bit please, cuz he's a f***s***b**** WSF, I love it when you analyze

Im glad ABC picked up Eli Stone, that show was good

Why men dont take messages for women LOL

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 15, 2008 -> 07:05 PM) Greg Maddux now is not the same pitcher he was 4-5 years ago. Moyer has been a different pitcher for the past 5-6 years. Clemens was a different type of pitcher past his prime, as was Curt Schillining. Mussina hasn't been the same, and neither has Rogers. And Smoltz, well he's the exception, not the rule. You asked for pitchers who lost MPH and were successful, no? Your qualifying statement was "To think 3-4 mph doesn't make a difference on a pitcher, whether that pitcher be a flamethrower or junkballer, is being naive." correct? Did i not name different types of pitchers who lost speed and still won games? Now its because they are "different" pitchers, and "not the same" and "exceptions, not the rule". What does "hasnt been the same" mean?" Are these pitchers still succeeding in the majors (or with Roger, when he was in the MLB WAS he succeeding)? Did he, or did he not lose more than 3-4 MPH of his fastball When you hang pitches over the middle of the plate, 3-4 MPH isnt going to make a damn bit of difference for your change, cutter, curve or slider. With Buehrle, Control is the only thing. Pitchers like him succeed in the bigs because they can spot their pitches. "Its no secret that....", i love when you talk in general terms and call people blind and naive. Last year Buehrle was throwing very similar, but the difference was his location. Strikeouts are not a good indication oh how good buehrle is, he has gone over 150 strikeouts once in his life(averaging 130 a year), while averaging 224 innings per year. He is not a strikeout pitcher, yet he has been successful.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 15, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) Fountain > glass bottle > can >>>>>>>>> plastic bottle meh, there are places that mess up the fountain mix so bad that the drink is unrecognizable. Glass bottles are the best

Where is the the Squirt/Fresca selection?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 15, 2008 -> 03:54 AM) so much to say, so little time to say it, so I just won't use the spacebar Vazquezisaf***inggodGarlandsuckscuzIsaidsoMakesureyourkidsaresafebecauseCarlosQuentinmaystealthemand usethemastoysbecausehedoeswhateverhewantsto that felt good like I said yesterday, WSF, I love it when you analyze

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 15, 2008 -> 05:30 AM) Oh, he was a much different pitcher in 05 and 06 than he was in 07 and now. In 05, Jenks was a power pitcher, just look at the strikeout totals. In 06, his velocity dropped some, but he was still able to throw it in the high 90's for the majority of the season, and he was still a power pitcher. In 07, his velocity was topping out at 97 on good days, but for the most part he was staying in the mid 90's. In 07, he transformed from a power pitcher to a finese pitcher. To say he was the same Bobby Jenks that he was in 05 is being ubsurd. Jenks velocity drop has made a difference in him... however, he has adapted, and his drop hasn't hurt him (yet at least). So please, try again, and give me a good example of when a 3-4 mph loss in velocity doesn't make a difference in a pitcher. Greg Maddux, Kenny Rogers, Jaime Moyer, Roger Clemens, Curt Schilling, Mike Mussina, John Smoltz(there will be more as I think of them) Heck, look at two other pitchers on our staff, Floyd and Contreras, who have both sacrificed MPH for control and their seasons so far have been pretty damn good And I have yet to see where Buehrle has dropped 3-4 MPH, and why do strikeout totals matter if the results are still great? Oh swami, you know so much, please enlighten us all

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 14, 2008 -> 06:01 PM) People really underestimate what a loss in 3-4 mph off of a pitcher's fastball can do. First off, it makes the change a whole lot less effective. The change didn't loose any velocity, it's still the same speed. Whats the point of the change if it's only a 5 mph difference? It also makes mistakes easier to hit as well. Every pitcher makes mistakes, but it's a whole lot easier to get away with mistakes with more zip on the ball. An 86-87 mph fastball is BP. An 88-91 fastball at has the ability to sneak up on hitters. To think 3-4 mph doesn't make a difference on a pitcher, whether that pitcher be a flamethrower or junkballer, is being naive. Bobby Jenks and his two 40 save seasons and 41 consecutive outs say hi

Chat?

QUOTE (Brian @ May 14, 2008 -> 02:40 PM) NOW, I have to interject. The fact that filmmakers like the Coen Brothers made this pile of junk, baffles me. The Big Lebowski is without a doubt the most overrated movie of all time, IMO. I have tried to watch it numerous times, and just never get into it. This is where you step back and smack yourself in the face and then apologize for your previous post

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 14, 2008 -> 02:19 PM) That's just like...your opinion, man. The Big Lebowski is up there too, for sure.

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:24 AM) I wouldn't completely take velocity out of the equation. If Mark lacks it and he doesn't have Maddux-like command that day, he's going to be far from dominant. He got hammered throughout most of 2006 and it wasn't because his command was terrible. That said, I agree that location is the most important factor. Not only in Mark's case, but for pitchers in general. Im just not seeing a big enough dip in Marks velocity to name it as the culprit here. He has been consistently 85-88, he just is leaving pitches over the plate when he has his big innings, and he is getting hammered. Even hawk is calling out the hangers "Just a rolling curveball over the heart of the plate". Maybe he is experiencing arm pain and he is changing his arm angle to compensate, and thus giving up control, i dont know. But he is definitely having some issues. The wierd thing is he cruises then has a big, devastating inning, mostly after a bad error. So you can almost point to a concentration issue as well

QUOTE (Brian @ May 14, 2008 -> 08:08 AM) The Cellar was so underrated. I loved chilling at that place. The Gallery opened up my last year at SIU, so we didn't go to JB's anymore. The Gallery was renamed the Chalet before I left. The Cellar was fun until everyone started realizing it was fun, then it was wall to wall people and that sucked

QUOTE (almagest @ May 14, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) Brian Roberts: .264/.349/.405 I don't think that's going to ignite our offense, especially since guys who come here seem to slump for extended periods of time in our lineup. compare that to the results of our own leadoff hitters. North was saying the other morning that Sox leadoff hitters are hitting .208 or something like that

QUOTE (WCSox @ May 14, 2008 -> 09:49 AM) People like Moyer and Maddux have been successful with mid-'80s fastballs because of their extraordinary command of several pitches, as well as their movement and ability to change speeds. However, pitchers with these skill sets are in a very small minority. There's a reason that, outside of a handfull of knuckleballers, there haven't been very many highly-successful pitchers with batting-practice fastballs. I really hope that Mark is able to consistently hit the upper 80's sometime this summer. Because he doesn't have Maddux-like command of his four pitches. Exactly, location, not velocity. When Buehrle is on, he is getting weak groundouts off the handle, not blowing people away

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 14, 2008 -> 07:51 AM) i am in complete disagreement with lol. i hate B&B (every thing they say, every caller, every guest doesnt have to be made into a joke...they are on sports talk radio, not a comedy central roast), but their objective and quantifiable opinions are absolutely a huge plus in my book (even if they dont work out on occasion) ....after all, the rest of the entire world relies on things that are quanitifiable and justifiable with logic and reason Thats fine to disagree, I dont mind. I just dont think everything can be decided by a number on a piece of paper, especially with baseball(the saying you dont win games on paper applies a lot in the game), and many times this is the basis of a B&B disagreement with a caller. As you say, some times they dont work out, and when that happens there isnt a lot of culpa mea out of them, they just move on and forget about it. And you are right, everythign doesnt need to be turned into a joke with them

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 14, 2008 -> 03:46 AM) Lackeys throws fastballs. Sox hits fastballs. Lets hits somes fasts balls. WSF, I love it when you analyze

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 13, 2008 -> 10:28 PM) I cant remember his name right now, but I'm pretty sure the guy who owned Stix ran for mayor a while back. Oh yeah, he owns a lot of little bars around town. JBs place(not the strip club, lol), stix, he used to have stake in the cellar IIRC. No one is unseating Brad Cole now though, at least for a while

I want to say first that I love listening to B&B, they really crack me up. But they also dont believe in anything that is unquantifiable(sp?). Bernstein rips on anyone who mentions anything to do with momentum, he just doesnt believe that there is such a force in sports. So when they make their arguments, they are mostly based on something that they can quantify, ie. the cubs will destroy the nationals because the nationals are 10 games under .500 and the Cubs are really good, the Cubs will destroy Livan Hernandez because he is a mediocre pitcher at this stage in his life and the Cubs feast on those types of pitchers. There are no such thing as big game pitchers or hitters that live for the big moments in their eyes, only a guy who was waiting for the right pitch at the right time. And it isnt something that someone can explain to them. Peope have tried and have been shot down summarily. Its just one of their quirks

QUOTE (BearSox @ May 14, 2008 -> 06:09 AM) Buehrle's problem has been his drop in velocity. When he had his velocity in the 88-90 range, he was able to get away with more mistakes. An 88-90 mph fastball isn't good, but it can get the job done for lefty pitchers (different story for righties). However, when you can only throw that fastball at 85-86 (once in a while he'll get it up to 87-88), it not only makes more mistakes more hittable, but it also makes your change up and offspeed stuff more hittable. Yeah, I know Buehrle's never been a flamethrower, but you need some velocity. Right now, Jamie Moyer has more velocity than Buehrle. Could this be injury related? Maybe, but I noticed this velocity drop in the 2nd half of last season. As of now, I have a feeling that Buehrle contract will bite us in the ass. Jamie Moyer hasnt had the same velocity as Buehrle since the early 90's Moyer has been at 85 or below for a long time Its location, not velocity for both Moyer and Buehrle. Buehrle may be injured, but he still hit 88-89 a few times the other night and was consistent in the 87-85 range, he just left pitches over the plate.