Kyyle23

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) So how many games before Getz is moved to the leadoff spot? How many games til opening day?

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 12:56 PM) I never thought they'd cut Owens and keep a 31 year old AAAA player. He must have really been terrible The numbers speak for themselves. I dont think Owens had an extra base hit all spring training, and he was thrown out stealing in something like 6 of his first 7 attempts

So you are saying that he hangs with all of these HOF caliber players. But he shouldnt be HOF? Strange

QUOTE (earthshiner @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 07:29 AM) Off the top of my head, there are too many other pitchers from this era that were better than him so I gotta say no. Maybe down the road. Please name all of these pitchers off the top of your head.

Salmons not playing in the 4th and in OT was just critical. VDN just baffles me sometimes

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:32 PM) Spoilers guys... I guess. These characters, and most of the scenes we mentioned are in the trailers. I will edit anything with spoiler tags that isnt on a trailer though

QUOTE (everafan @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) Lillibridge could end up getting some ABs in CF This is true, and Welcome to Soxtalk!

QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:33 PM) If we judge Viciedo 231 average as not being ready, then we should do the same with any player in disregard of any position. I understand the reasoning about giving a player (Viciedo) a chance to play everyday in the minors as oppose as sitting in the bench. I preferred him to back up at 3B, RF and DH in the majors 3 times a week as oppose as being in the minors. I am sure I am in the minority with this view. That just isnt enough for Viciedo, and you should know that. You should want Viciedo getting as many at bats a game as possible, not spot starting and defensive subbing in garbage time. You cannot judge players in a vacuum like that. Viciedo is being judged on a multitude of different things and has had a completely different route to the majors, and he should be judged under these variables. The was determined to be not ready at this time, and the team wants him to focus on one position and solidy himself in this position without having to worry about 2 other positions, plus not having consistent at bats. I dont understand why you would want to put him in a platoon position in the majors, I could just see that completely ruining him

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) Didn't Cabrera say the problem wasn't calling the scorer but contacting someone in the White Sox FO to take up the case for him? That sounds a lot better than for a player actually trying to call the press box to me...still, glad we've moved on from a financial standpoint and we can't help but be excited about Getz, Ramirez, Lillibridge and Beckham. I could care less how it really happened, the reference is still funny to me.

QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:26 PM) Chris must have called the official scorer between innings. a slight case of orlanditis QUOTE (Heads22 @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) Owens may just fall completely out of it today. How it lasted this long is anyones guess

QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) I was waiting for someone to completely miss the point, it took two pages, but congratulations whitesoxbrian! LOL

QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 02:24 PM) The original other 3 Pumpkins were stand-ins too. really? wikipedia says otherwise, but I wouldnt be surprised if it was wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smashing_pumpkins 9

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) Well, the Sox were still faced with a decision. Give Crede a cheap contract that beats out Minny's (but not by a ton)......and pursue trades for Fields Or Keep Fields only. I would agree with anyone that would speculate Fields likely has low trade value at this point. But you cant talk about Crede as if he was in line for a huge payday. Because of his injuries, we wouldve gotten a massive discount. We can make ourselves think it was a no-brainer to soothe ourselves, but there's still baseball to be played. You can wish it away, but Joe Crede will have atbats this year. if Crede turns around his career on a bargain deal, maybe we made the wrong move. You have to at least admit that is possible. My only point here is that all this is still to be determined. I would agree with your guesses but I dont cement them as automatic fact that they're right and praise the organization. I wait and see, and these boards are better if more people keep the critical eye. Your own description of fandom SEEMS to be (defintely correct me if i'm wrong) keeping the critical eye until the Sox make a decision, and then support that decision til the next critical decision has to be made. I say this based on your last two sentences. How were the Sox going to give Crede a cheaper deal than Minny, the Sox werent going to be able to offer arbitration to Crede because he already made it known he was going to bring himself to the FA market. So if they offered him arbitration anyways, and he rejected it, they werent going to be able to offer him less of a deal than arbitration(which is what he ended up getting), could they?

QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:50 PM) Oh, common kyyle23. There is no secret I root for cuban players. I was born there. You guys have a 1000 players and there are a handfull of cubans in the USA (majors and minors). That does not mean I do not like other players. I have always admired Thome and Griffey since their days in Cleveland and Seattle when I first saw an MLB game in the refugee camps. Viciedo was not competing against an established 3B. If Viciedo would had made the team, that means better opportunities for future defectors. If there is a set of players that have the hardest road to the majors or USA, that is us cubans. Some is our own shortcomings because we have not been able to remove Castro. But there are other aspects of this complex situation that MLB is responsible too. Am I writing something out of the extraordinary here? Most of you think Fields is not good defensively. I am not making this up. Fields won't the job. He hit 400 +. I would have loved to see Viciedo still competing but he was sent down. I also wrote that Fields should have given priority over Viciedo because he was promised he would be this year 3B. I also wrote I like to see Viciedo playing back up in different positions. Maybe you did not read my post about this. This is a free forum and this is America. What happened to free speech! By the way, I am sure you were rooting for Japan to beat USA in the WBC. I root for Cuba first and then USA unless my child is with me watching. If that the case, I root for USA no matter what. No hard feelings whatsoever. Everytime you get questioned on a baseball opinion you come up with this "I lived in Cuba.....I love free speech....MLB/upper management/ etc is responsible" stuff. I get it. I know where you are from, I respect what you have gone through, and you probably have seen and experienced things that I will never get close to. But thats not what I am talking about. Im talking about how you have constantly criticized Ozzie and KW as if they have some agenda to keep Viciedo down and not let him advance. There is none of that, this isnt a conspiracy to hold the Cubans down. The Sox were thrilled to death with Alexei last year, and they are going back for more with Viciedo, the only problem is that Viciedo isnt quite ready yet, and Fields has been preparing for this for the last 3 years of his life. There is a reason that Fields was drafted by the Sox, and that was to be their future 3B, and the Sox owe it to themselves to see if Fields can do it, and at the same time they are giving Viciedo constant at bats in the minors to make sure that he plays consistently.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:44 PM) I'm not the biggest Crede guy, but we're pretty naive if we think we're gonna just put Josh in there and never talk about the guy he's replaced. This is the big leagues. Management will be judged on what moves they have made. One move they made is choosing Fields over Crede. You can talk about Boras all you want but end of the day the Sox decided to go young at a position where they had a nice prospect. I dont fault them at all for that. At the same time, I know it's open game to say "Crede couldve gotten that" because he COULDVE been the 3b. You root for the uniform but you dont do so SOOOO blindly that you never question management's decisions. Otherwise then you are a northside baseball fan. Saying "Crede would have gotten that" is not the same as questioning managements decisions, it is arbitrarily saying that another player would have fielded a ball given the same circumstances. That is not anything that could be determined, its just an opinion, and an entire year of that will be quite annoying. Crede was a pretty damn good 3B, but if I recall correctly he didnt exactly set the world on fire last season, in fact didnt he lead the league in 3B errors at one point? All i know is that Crede was having a lot of trouble throwing across his body to second base and he ended up with 20 errors in 97 games.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) What member of the soxtalk community doesnt have his or her own biases? Just b/c he's Cuban and wants to see his guy get a chance doesnt make him any different from the Josh Fields fan out there. I think Fields is a future LF but I'm willing to go down this road for a year and see what happens. JF is showing his bat needs a place somewhere, just depends where. Its one thing to want to want your guy to succeed, its another thing to constantly bash the team and the management because your guy hasnt gotten his shot yet. Everytime I read somethign regarding Viciedo or Fields, Cubano wants to talk about his distrust of KW and Ozzie like they are two fools who dont know what they are doing because they dont want to throw a raw 20 year old player to the wolves. I really like Viciedo, you can look at some of the prediction threads and I said I thought he would beat out Fields in ST and be the starter. I dont think Ozzie is an idiot because that didnt happen

QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) One more time. Players do not change too much. You are who you are. I have read several times that Cora was working miracles in Miami with Fields. I never bought into that. If your defense has been shaky all your life, you will be sorry with the glove until you retire. If you are a good fastball hitter in the minors, you will be able to hit fastballs in the majors. If you are lazy in the minors, you will be lazy in the majors. If you have personality problems, you will have those all your life. What makes me mad is the following. If the Sox gurus have doubts about Fields at 3B, then tell him that and move him to another base or DH immediately. Maybe for Viciedo is too early to tell. The Sox do not have had the time to evaluate Viciedo fully. But if there are some doubts about him at 3B, tell him that and move him to another position very soon. Why wasting so much time and resources on failing projects? You are far too biased to be commenting on this.

I cant find it right now, but I swear that MLB just instituted a new dress code where your pants are not allowed to be tucked under your cleats anymore

QUOTE (Brian @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) Can I take a couple of weeks off work cuz I have anxiety? I guess that depends on your HR department

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) So Carrasco is a deeply valued member of this staff then? If Poreda's development was not an issue, are you saying youd keep one of our soft toss guys over him? Probably, yes. Every good pitcher needs a changeup, and so do bullpens. You cant run flamethrowers out there everytime, you have to be able to make batters uncomfortable. Besides, this isnt Poreda vs Carrasco, This is Poreda vs Williams, Ozzie cant go into the season too deep in lefties, and Richard is probably going to be in the bullpen as the swingman And from someone complaining just one post ago that I was putting words in your mouth, now you are going to do the same thing? Funny

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 11:57 AM) Yr gonna have to find for me the part where I said there were none already. I'm pretty much saying I wanted another. When Carrasco comes out in a tight situation at some point, you'll want another too.. Sure, that "All fire" bullpen worked brilliantly in 2007, lets do that again!

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 11:39 AM) From what I've seen of him in person, Aaron seems like throwing 98 MPH is second nature to him. It would be scary as hell if he actually went max effort to throw. He could be a deadly late inning reliever in the future if starting doesn't work out. I have no doubt, im not knocking Poreda. But Thornton (to me at least) is the same way, he throws an effortless 98MPH, and we all know Jenks can dial it up when he needs to, and Dotel is also a hard thrower. Im just questioning the comment "I selfishly wanted a fireballer" as if there were none in the pen already

QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) I think the Verducci Effect could nab them this year. Perkins pitched 50-something innings in 2007 and 184 innings in 2008. Liriano pitched 120 innings in 2006... 0 innings in 2007... and 190+ innings in 2008. Those are stats screaming "a trip to the DL is coming in 2009". If they lose Liriano and Perkins, it is going to be a tough year for the Twins for sure

The main problem for Fields will forever be that he is not Joe Crede. I hope this Crede-Sox divorce period ends after this year, because I am already sick of "Crede would have gotten that" I think I am going to repond to those Crede comments with "Yeah, if he was healthy enough to stay on the field"

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Mar 29, 2009 -> 11:26 AM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=2946 I selfishly wanted to see a fireballer added to this bullpen, but I guess we have to think longterm foremost Apparently Jenks, Thornton and Dotel don't throw hard enough?