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Unless they shock with a complete overhaul, who are the actual player they would consider selling, especially if they treat this as a re-tooling? Could someone like Z.Duke be a trade candidate? I'm not sure how his contract would be perceived by other teams, but he's had a good season. Is Melky Cabrera a trade candidate? Good hitter, but is he going to create trade buzz and can the White Sox, if they are re-tooling, move an offensive piece that helps them? Hard to see much to move here other than these large blockbuster types for their pitching. I don't see them moving Sale or Quintana at this point. It's possible after the season they could come to a conclusion that Fulmer and another season of experience for Rodon (to go with Shields and Sale) could allow them to move Quintana, but that doesn't seem like the type of move they would make.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 12:02 PM) We won't sell. Just not happening. FO is looking at this going: a) pitching - there are many pitching starved teams out there - that actually one of our stronger points. We are 5th in the AL in ERA, near the tops I believe for quality starts and we've done so with Latos and Danks and a bunch of others. Add in Shields we should be better. With all of them coming back next year the FO sees this as part of the "window of opportunity" b)fielding - we have the 3rd fewest errors. We have pretty solid infield in terms of range. Not the best - can have improvement out of Lawrie and Abreu, but nonetheless very decent infield. Our OF? Probably a CF away (AJAX defensively at least) from being a very good OF. Hahn is probably thinking about acquiring someone who fits the mold of a 1-3 year rental player where we give up an Adams, etc. to acquire and bolster our OF both offesnviely and defensively. c) batting --- AWFUL. We are near the bottom in almost every category. However, if I am our FO, they are probably thinking, "well Abreu will bounce back. And Frazier will start hitting doubles. And we can improve DH without Garcia" Point being - the FO is going to put one more offseason in this trying to acquire bats. A DH, Catcher, CF. My guess at least. And to be honest, I don't hate it, but don't half ass it either. If you are going to get a bat - go get one. Go get a Lucroy. Go get a solid ass DH. If they come back trying to tell me Avila is a good get or that Ajax is a solution as a starter? GTFO If it doesn't work then you trade everything. This is probably the likely outcome - it would be surprising, even after another mediocre season, for them to blow it up and start fresh. Their starting rotation is locked up and should be set (barring injury) for next season - at least the top 4, and if the 5th spot is an open competition, that's not an issue. The defense has improved, but offensively, as you mentioned, there are holes throughout the lineup. It's a shame that the offensive pipeline from the minors is non-existent with the possible exception of Tim Anderson.

Even if the White Sox are 47-54 (or however the math works at the time the July 31st deadline comes), would anyone expect any major sell-off? They aren't trading Sale, Quintana or Robertson. Maybe a relief pitcher goes...Offensively, Eaton, Cabrera and Abreu are staying. There just isn't much to trade unless they shock the world with a Sale trade and that is not going to happen. They have to go on a major streak over the next 10-12 games, probably taking 8 or 9. Can't keep playing .500 type ball (and actually 21-32 since their hot streak to open the season) and expect to be in this race much longer. Hard to see them winning more than 82-84 though, and that's if everything does fall into place - just a bad offense, too many outs.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 7, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/carl...in-a-trade.html I think CarGo would be a great addition to the lineup. Wonder what it would take to get him here? The White Sox lineup needs 2 more legitimate run producers. This would be a great start.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Hard to say they are "definitely" better than the Sox when the Sox are collectively 10-6 against those teams. On days that Chris Sale is pitching (and Quintana should be near that category), the White Sox are about as good as any team in the majors. 3/5 of the time, though, the team isn't very good. Saying that, I'm confident that, most days, the Blue Jays and Red Sox (and probably the Astros) are better than the White Sox.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 15, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Once again, the second wildcard can give teams legitimate hope and a false sense of hope. It's possible you haven't looked at this yet this or even know who's leading the 2nd Wildcard. The Blue Jays lead, and are on pace for 87 wins. The Mariners, Tigers, and Royals are ahead of the White Sox. http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/view/wi...rd/group/league This scenario may actually be saving Ventura's job right now. On the other hand, the Sox were once in a position where 64-64 after 23-11 would have won 87 games. That's a shame. It's hard for me to consider the White Sox when they are significantly below .500 when Sale is not pitching.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:10 PM) With Saladino giving them a lot of positives, I am really good with this. Part of this teams issue has been rushing position player instead of letting the players force the issue. As raw and Anderson was, I am very OK with letting him pound away at AAA for a season, and then calling him up in September. I'd really not rush him if we don't have to because of injury or something. I don't want to rush Anderson either, and Saladino does look like a major league player - he now has a chance to earn an everyday spot in the lineup (somewhere) if he can hit.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Also depends on Anderson. He had a great start but has dropped off the last 2 weeks. Pretty normal for a young player. Absolutely - he won't be an option unless he's showing continued growth in the minors.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Sounds to me like the Sox are happy with Saladino, or have another player in their sights and are downplaying the need for a SS. It sounds like that's the intention - leave him in the minors where he can continue to develop; however, if the major league play at SS is sub-par offensively and the team continues to a bottom feeder in offensive stats, I think there could be a change of course.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 12:33 PM) I agree. The problem is - this team is headed in the wrong direction and have a very tough schedule. It's fun to talk about what power hitter they are adding, but does this conversation change by the end of the month as to whom they are going to have to move?

The White Sox, when Chris Sale isn't pitching, are, at best a .500 type team. Thankfully, he pitches 20% o the time. As improved as the defense has been, unfortunately, it was going to be tough to win behind the success of the starting rotation/defense because the rotation was going to come back to earth and it was never good enough to support a poor offensive lineup.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ May 3, 2016 -> 04:12 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine White Sox continue to pursue a Left handed hitter as well as a starting pitcher. They have been very active It clearly takes 2 to tangle and while I'm sure the White Sox would like to improve their current roster, how can they be 'very active'? This isn't a criticism - it's probably tough for other teams to trade core players in early May, but, at the same time, and I know I'm being picky, I can't say a team that hasn't made any moves is being 'very active'.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Mar 31, 2016 -> 09:21 AM) Contract breakdown looks like this: '16- $17.6M '17-$17.6M '18- $18.6M '19- $18.6M '20- Option for $17M with $5M buyout So that's more or less $77M over 4 years. How much would Boston have to eat to get you to bite on Sandoval? They would have to pay at least $50 million of that and the Sox would have to give up a low level, non-impact prospect(s).

If they do land him, is he a starter or does he go to the bullpen?

That was good/cheap pizza to each while in a dorm at college; once you have money, and realize the quality of pizza that is around, you wonder how you ever ate this type of food.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 3, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 11m11 minutes ago One reason Rick Renteria was brought in was to help #WhiteSox improve upon base running. High energy, hands-on guy. http://bit.ly/1Qo9Q8R It's hard to be optimistic about the defense or base-running improving much.

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Mar 4, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) per RotoWorld... "Bruce Levine of WSCR-AM reports that the White Sox "may now be focused on" Carlos Gonzalez and Jay Bruce in their pursuit of left-handed power. The report adds that CarGo's contract and the Rockies' asking price "is the holdup right now" and that Bruce "might be more practical." Levine was told by one general manager who had talks with the Rockies about Gonzalez that they asked for "my top two minor league players, a major league player and to absorb most of the contract." Bruce, meanwhile, was nearly dealt to the Blue Jays last week in a three-team trade before the deal fell apart because of a physical issue involving a prospect. He would come significantly cheaper than CarGo, but of course isn't nearly as good of a player." not sure how true this is, thought i would share. So, besides the asking price for Gonzalez and the amount of money he makes, the White Sox are focused on him. This reads like the definition of a non-story.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 29, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Not exactly optimistic about Sanchez at SS it seems. Who knows, maybe he starts the year in AAA and L. Garcia makes the opening day roster. Is Sanchez safe as a utility IF?

I'm sure they do want to see what he can do, but it's hard to see him displacing John Danks and his salary. Erik Johnson is probably the most at risk to lose a starting rotation spot.

Given that some of the best remaining options require draft pick compensation, has there been any thought that perhaps the best remaining course of action is to do nothing? Yes, you're banking on Garcia, La Roche and others rebounding from down/bad seasons, but you're not giving questionable deals and losing picks while retaining payroll flexibility. You're also exhausting Garcia - he either makes it or not.

What did the per year averages end up being, in the so-called buyers market, for the top remaining offensive talent?

Have there been any reports from the national guys (sorry, the local guys don't seem to know very much) about which OF's are rumored to be on the trading block, and, if the White Sox are being mentioned? Cargo's name continues to come up as being available, and several people on this site continue to float that as an option. Is trading for a OF a realistic option, given that the White Sox already have made 2 trades this off-season?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 09:12 AM) Doesn't help that they've struck out on their FA acquisitions at a stunning rate the last 5 years or so. Not sure who they have scouting MLB players on other teams, but that person(s) should never work in baseball again. Good point as well - they are also making moves to replace/upgrade on FA acquisitions. I don't know if they are willing to trade any additional minor league talent for major league help after the Frazier / Lawrie deals or if they will avoid players who cost draft picks, but I do think they will add another player or two to the team. Just not sure the quality if they have restrictions on what they are willing to do now in order to protect the minor league system.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) Smart organizations don't force themselves to improve through free agency and then complain about the market prices being too expensive. When you don't produce talent from the minor league system, you become dependent on free agency to fill your holes. I'd like to think that's why the White Sox would put a higher premium on keeping these draft picks than giving them up for Fowler/Desmond, but their organization is trying to win and rebuild at the same time so I'll be surprised if they don't add at least one more offensive player to the mix.

QUOTE (CB2.0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 11:29 PM) CarGo.... What a joke. Is this being suggested or rumored?