southsider2k5

QUOTE (Green Line @ May 15, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) How so? You've already said this a couple of times. He's talking about his posts.

After all that, Chapman breaks out a change up. Yikes.

12 pitch AB, just couldn't beat him.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ May 15, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) I'm not a big RV fan but how about getting guys out when you're called upon? Not gonna win many games when 3 of the 4 relievers you use give up runs.

Yep, let's just get on the plane and start over again.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 15, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Yankees have scored four runs with two out today. Don Cooper needs to get off his fat ass and have a talk with his pitchers. This has been going on the entire road trip. Mark Apparently our pitchers need to be told not to give up runs with two outs?

Well despite it all, it was only one run. Come on guys.

Wow, evidently this inning was sponsored by Murphy's Law.

The relief pitcher luck is just gone right now.

For me it is all about match ups.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 15, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) What do the Yanks do now? Go to Miller for the eighth and Chapman for the ninth, or do they send someone else in with the tie? Miller is warming.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ May 15, 2016 -> 03:02 PM) I miss Tyler Flowers worst.post.ever.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 15, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) Betances-Miller-Chapman say hi. So do Abreu, Frazier and Cabrera.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 15, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) I take this as a compliment from the guy who b****es the most with the fewest characters His BPC is off of the charts.

Fangraphs has the White Sox down to 63.9%, Indians down to 65.3%. BP is at 79.2%, Indians at 66.3% 538 has the Sox at 71%, Tribe at 39%

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 15, 2016 -> 07:10 AM) LOL! I must admit, this really is one of your funnier efforts to try and defend the indefensible, and all just to be contrarian on your part. Seriously, you must be on the dole for Reinsdorf to go on these fanciful yet highly ridiculous tangents you do to try and defend that buffoon. But you do and therefore we just have to deal with it, and continually just call out its silliness. Attendance tripled from the time Harry Caray came to the Sox and when he left. It increased by 68% just after his first year and was tripled by the end of his second. He accomplished all of this - and again, it was explicitly what he was brought into do - with the weakest of tools to support him. He was broadcasting initially on a tiny, 5,000 watt radio station in LaGrange, IL when he first got to town, and then the best he got was a UHF TV station of all things, Channel 44. HARRY CARAY TRIPLED WHITE SOX ATTENDANCE WITH THE POOREST POSSIBLE MEDIA EXPOSURE AT HIS DISPOSAL. Bill Veeck, however, managed to get the team on WGN for 1981 before he sold the team. Then Harry had the power of the superstation and it's mega-exposure with which to sell the White Sox experience. And he did so brilliantly during the strike-shortened 1981 season, resulting in the highest TV ratings ever for the Sox at that time. But then the genius owners of the Sox committed what renowned White Sox historian Richard Lindberg (or as renowned Reinsdorf apologist SS2K5 refers to just as "someone") referred to as a "mistake" by letting Caray go to the Cubs, where he took that national exposure on WGN to make both he and the Cubs a household name. The Cubs haven't looked back since. HARRY CARAY TOOK THE CUBS FROM HAVING THE SAME KIND OF ATTENDANCE ISSUES AS THE SOX TO BEING THE NATIONAL PHENOMENON THEY ARE TODAY, ALL DUE TO HIS ABILITY TO SELL THE PRODUCT ON SUPERSTATION WGN. That could have and should have been the Sox. It's that simple. But our genius owners...SportsVision...and you know the rest. You have opinions, I have actual numbers. I am not sure where you got your numbers, but the figures you are quoting here are not at all right. Even if you want to give Caray the credit, and not the team on the field, you are ignoring the fact that the longer he was with the Sox, attendance wasn't still going up. It was down a full 25% off of its peak. So if you are right, and attendance depended on him, and not the team, he must have been losing the effect, because numbers were down a full 400,000 fans over his last full four years here, 700k if you include 1981. Also, if you want to key attendance off of who is in the booth, Ken Harrelson must be a freaking Sox fan magnet, because since he started with the Sox, he tripled their attendance at its peak, pushing it from just under a million when he started, to almost 3 million at its peak. Even last year it was still at double what it started at. By your silly standard, Harrelson > Caray, by a mile.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ May 14, 2016 -> 08:57 PM) Could probably get Shields for a deep dish pizza. It is that $15 million a year delivery fee that will hurt.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 14, 2016 -> 04:00 PM) Lol - only if facts are to be completely ignored. I mean, really - as absurd a statement as could be made in relation to the Chicago White Sox organization and it's history. Go forth with your fairy take view on it all you want, SS2K5. I'm with White Sox historian Richard Lindberg and so many others in the know who understand and recognize the tremendous impact Harry Caray had during his time with the White Sox, and the extraordinary missed opportunity the organization had when they let him slip away and go to the Cubs. The facts are right there in front of you. The numbers don't support your theory, at all. Your "facts" are reliant on the opinion of someone. My are based on real life actual numbers. Attendance fell during the last half of Caray's time with the White Sox by about 25%.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ May 14, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) This is why I'm not real high on Q....he is a two pitch pitcher and one of those two pitches is a low end curve ball. When his command is shaky he gets hit hard. Having no swing and miss pitch really hurts him at times. Like during the Headley at bat, Q had no pitch to strike him out so he just threw pitches off the plate to try and get him to swing at a fastball out of the zone. It didn't work and then he got burned for 2 runs. Come on man. I promise you if the Sox ever decided to put him up for bids, you'd have 29 other GMs offering their left testicles to get him.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 14, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) I'm not quite sure what any of that is supposed to mean, but what I do know is Harry Caray was immensely popular with White Sox fans and that was reflected in the attendance back in those days. That was half the reason the Sox brought him to Chicago in the first place - to help with attendance. He had a bonus in his contract tied to increased attendance, and the Sox actually had to cancel that bonus a few years into the deal because they couldn't afford to pay it, it had gotten so big. And he managed to accomplish all of that and have the influence he had only broadcasting on a tin can radio network and Channel 44. Pretty impressive to say the least. Fast forward to 1981, and now Harry had the power of superstation WGN behind him. And in his short stint on 'GN as a Sox broadcaster, the Sox set TV ratings records for the team and attendance was beginning to skyrocket before the strike occurred that year. It was very clear at that time that the Sox were moving into a whole new and exciting era with the team on WGN and Harry leading the way. Well, clear to most people, except the owners, who within a blink of an eye let both Harry and WGN slip away in favor of...SportsVision. If that doesn't scream purely inept, I don't know what does. White Sox historian Richard Lindberg seems to agree. We didn't even win the Chicago market when Caray was a White Sox broadcaster, which would seem like the logical result to see if any of this were actually true. One of the two years (out of 10) that we did out draw the Cubs was the South Side Hitmen. Guess what happened after that? Attendance fell every single season after that until Caray left. We went from 1.65 million in 1977 to 1.2 million by 1980, (that is a fall of 25+%!)excluding the 1981 strike year. The two seasons before 1977, we hadn't even drawn a million fans in either season. The attendance numbers weren't trending up at all, except when the Sox were good. There was zero Harry Caray effect with the White Sox. Then, just like now, they followed the bandwagon.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 14, 2016 -> 07:41 AM) Anderson comes up in September. That will give them a month of experience and he can take over next year As slow as Anderson starts typically, that is pretty optimistic IMO. I would bet on his learning curve looking more like Avi, than that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 14, 2016 -> 04:02 AM) But where was the outrage when George HW Bush's son became president...? When Jeb Bush ran? Bush had 9/11 on his watch, destroyed the budget by going unilaterally (based on the WMD argument that turned out to be a farce) into war and spending over 60% of discretionary funds on warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan, passed a Medicare prescription benefit that was completely unfunded...created an environment where the threats against the US were greater than any point since the end of the Cold War and maybe the Cuban Missile Crisis. Oh, forgot suspending personal liberties/freedom with the Patriot Act and torture/Guantanamo Bay, not to mention the Hurricane Katrina fiasco. What is is that you would expect Hillary Clinton to do that would destroy the country? If you've learned nothing, it's that the Clintons gave up on HUGE institutional change after 1994 when gays in the military and the health care reform was met with a wall of opposition and they were nearly destroyed by the Gingrich Revolution....she's going to be very moderate/centrist/establishment, more conservative in terms of her orientation than even her husband. It will be a "status quo" presidency, minus another 9/11 or conflict with China. What is it that you actually want/hope/believe that Trump could accomplish as president that would make our country better? 1)??? 2)??? 3)??? 4)??? 5)??? Would like to see at least three realistic answers of what would be a reasonable expectation for improvements from a Trump presidency... You want to see the consequences of the Bushes, I would highly recommend you read a great non-fiction story by Dave Eggers titled "Zeitoun" and then report back. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ May 14, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) White Sox historian Richard C. Lindberg, on Harry Caray: Allowing legendary broadcaster Harry Caray to go to the Cubs after the 1981 season was a mistake, he said. "That helped contribute to the rise of the Cubs and the sinking of the White Sox during those years", Lindberg said. That's putting it mildly, but at least this renowned historian on all things White Sox understands the breadth of this the first of many crippling mistakes the current owner would make over the course of his tenure as owner. Yeah, I am going to guess that Sox fans wouldn't have somehow been brainwashed by Harry Caray, if he hadn't have been able to do so in the 10 years he was here.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 13, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) Even the media is piling on now and he's said hes not giving a discount. Its going to be the largest contract ever. I hope so, and I hope the Cubs give it to him.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 13, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) Kershaw is the only pitcher I'd take over Sale. As great as Arrieta has been for 4 and a half months now or whatever, there's still a decent amount of pitchers I'd take over him. And as close as they are, Sale is a lefty, which is the trump card.