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And you make the cash register sound involuntarily.

So you like twitter because you found what you wanted to find, and in the same post asked this question. Well done.

If you have a son, tie his right arm behind his back and make him throw lefty.

I do. It's ridiculous.

Sure, and they are $180m and $156+. So even if Robert comes in under them, it is still way over $80m.

Yes. Easily. Teams overpay all of the time. Tyler freaking O'Neill just got 3/50. Mike Soroka just got $9 million for this season. The obligation to Luis Robert is $15 million, with two options for $20 million each. That is nothing in 2024. He's a $100 million player today on the current ridiculous free agent market. Cody Bellinger as a regularly injured 1B who plays a bad OF getting 3/80 only serves to back that up. Even looking at Fangraphs a 4.0 fWAR was the 4th best CF season last year in MLB among qualified CFs. Cody Bellinger, even with his negative OF defensive ratings, ranked 14th. Alex Bregman turned down $150 million over six years as an older corner IF, and will almost certainly exceed it on the FA market. The Willy Adamas deal is another one that comes to mind when a guy is a + hitter and a + defender at a premium position.

This is really, really, really simple. Even if you want to equate them as equals, which the market very CLEARLY does not, Luis Robert as a top flight defensive CF is worth more than Cody Bellinger and his negative CF and RF defensive ratings.

So your claim is now that Bellinger is an MVP worthy player these days, and if you are equating him with Robert, I would hope you understand why the Sox should be looking for more than Acuna and Baty as a return for him.

That's just it, they aren't in the same league, which is why a comp doesn't work. They are completely different players off paper. Even with his injuries, Luis Robert is a top quint-tile CF. Bellinger is maybe a CF if your other choice is Judge. In general we are talking about a WAY lower ceiling, both offensively and defensively since last decade. Peak Robert is MVP worthy, Belly being at his best is more like ASG worthy. It's about more than WAR and age.

But WE are not. The comp doesn't really work.

In any given year you expect some guys to be better than their norms and some others to be worse. Even as a team you can have years where there are more bad years than you expect, but ever since the TLR hire, the entire franchise has been on a creep backwards. I am not convinced this is just a "bad luck" thing. I don't think I would bet on the under, but I am sure not ready to bet on the over either.

When literally everything goes wrong like that it tells me that the problems were bigger than just the players.

another great example of why Luis Robert at 15 to 20 million options isn't a big deal at all.

They are paying him like a starter

When Acuna was being pitched as the next Sox utility guy, that's why.

Is the gamble. I don't need another Nicky Lopez. That does nothing for me.

And removing at least Crochet, and probably Robert, is probably going to eat up those 7 wins.

The counter here is the dumpster fire state of the franchise. You need to be adding as many real players as possible to this rebuild. Mediocrity does nothing. Now is the time to follow the Rick Hahn example and hold to try to get the payoff. If it fails, being out mediocrity doesn't upset me.

I wouldn't have traded MiLB Nico Hoerner for Luis Robert, nor MLB Nico.

One team cutting costs doesn't make the rest of the free agent market "false" especially when you are trying to compare the two players and contracts in question without actually doing it.

And that is where the ceiling comes into account. Again, if we don't get that kind of an offer, I am more than content with sitting on him, like we should have done with Cease.

Look at the free agent market. Even Luis Robert for 2/3 of a season is worth his contract. That is a non-factor in 2025.

We don't need another utility type player as a central part of a trade like this. I also wouldn't expect a team to take on Colson Montgomery for a high level MLB guy

So did Lenyn Sosa. Would you trade him for Luis Robert?

Thankfully that is all fixed... oh.