southsider2k5

The Sox playing hurt players? That's unpossible!

This is what I was going to say. There are three legit playoff teams in front of them which they play six times. I would be SHOCKED if they go 3-3 in the division. I think it will be more like 1-5 or 2-4. The rest isn't easy either.

Nah, they are hot garbage because ownership just had a free to a good home sale at the ASB.

I think the counterpoint would be sports franchises have done nothing but go up, and I haven't seen a reason to think that is changing soon. If Jerry wasn't in a capital crunch, he has zero reason to take on outside interest. He could just wait for death and sell at whatever the price is at that point. Also if the owners think they will again break the union in negotiations, there is a lot more profit on the horizon, meaning it has to be bad for him to need capital that quickly. It means this wasn't a short term blip he can cash call over. FORGOT THE INHERITANCE PART: If you time this for death, the only time taxes are paid is the estate taxes, which pay taxes based on the gains of the asset, and then those assets are passed down to heirs with what is left to go through inheritance. If you don't time at it death, then you pay the gains taxes on the transaction, and then you pay taxes again on the estate's gains or losses before the inheritance taxes happen at the end.

In general, I get the sentiment, I really do. But with the Sox last five years, it is really easy to see otherwise. #1, COVID blew up revenue streams in both 2020 and 2021. Not only was the ballpark somewhere between closed and limited for most of those two seasons, they also missed the buzz of the fan base getting to live in person through the first back to back playoff appearances in the history of the franchise. #2, As Sox payroll began to climb in 2021 and onwards, the teams finances did NOT follow. The teams 2021 attendance was actually at the time the lowest attendance in the 21st century by the Sox. While the 2022 attendance did pick back up, in 2022, the excitement behind the team was already starting to fade in 2021, as the team that did finish in 1st and 24 games over .500, essentially played a .500 second half, then followed it up with a full season of .500 in 2022, and saw attendance drop by 300k fans from 22 to 23. #3 Sox payroll spiked during this time period, even as the fans were ebbing, peaking at $193 million in 2022, and only dropping slightly (about 7%) in 2023 to $181 million, with attendance falling by 15% from 22 to 23. #4 obviously the attendance crash continued into 2024, with Sox turnstyles down about 35% from its peak in 2022. I would be willing to bet that for as much as attendance fell, so did outside advertising dollars and parking revenues. #5, The Sox played a large chunk of 2025 without essentially any TV money. Sure they might have made a few bucks from streaming themselves, and the advertising dollars they kept directly, instead of dollar flowing through a TV deal, but it was a tiny sliver of what they were used to coming in. #6, Forbes has shown the team with loses since 2020. #7, The Ishbia deal expressly said that he was paying down debt accumulated by the team. Since this team isn't making a mortgage payment on a stadium, literally it has to be operations debt, which agrees with all of the rest of the above points. I am about 90% certain, Jerry doesn't make this deal if he isn't personally losing money, because there is no other reason for him to want to sell the team before his death when the tax conditions are the most ideal.

The Twins are hot garbage. The Sox SHOULD be beating them.

When he does it again next year... at least for me.

My favorite of these was in the mid 80's Dave Steib has a no-hitter going against the Sox through 8, and then the first three guys hit homers in the 9th. Rudy Law, Bryan Little, and Harold hit B2B2B to end the no hitter and chase Steib from the game before the pen shut it down.

38 seems right to me, but I am sure they look at the list and decide who is in front of them, and how many guys could potentially displace people already on the roster. A lot of these guys have weird histories that make them tough to roster, which is why they end up here.

Keep in mind if the Sox are going to make any Rule 5 picks, they need to be as many slots UNDER 40 as they plan on picking. They need to be at 39 to pick once, and 38 to pick twice.

It's not at all surprising. They probably still didn't make much this year.

I do feel bad for Twins fans, just nor for the Twins.

That will be his release day.

That was a garbage ass ruling. His hand was wrapped over the bat, and was clearly hit.

I can't tell you what we did with Gage.

We replaced Eddy with ChatGPT six months ago and no one noticed.

So his stuff regressed and he still hurt himself. Wonderful.

He did? Where did you see that?

Schweitzer and Adams have zero chance at being rule 5 picks. Adams especially would mean someone would have to give up a 40 man roster spot to pick him and wait until the spring when you can open the 60 day DL and remove him. Berroa and Bush are quick DFAs to get off of the 40 man roster, and won't be missed if they are picked. I know Murphy has had plenty of low level success, but nothing in his profile screams the kind of stuff that gets a guy picked in the Rule 5. Maybe someone goes crazy, but I would call it 90/10 against it happening. Thorpe gets re-rostered for sure. The only pitchers that have been talked about that need to really be protected are Pallette and McDougal.

Again, this is where roster management continues to baffle me. Like we KNOW we are to evaluation time for them, with their 40 man decisions just weeks away. Get them up here, let them learn on the job. While they are out now, why are we wasting time on the Wilsons and Hudson's of the world? Get Pallette, McDougal, etc into these positions. TF do we need to see Tyler Gilbert again for?

It was the whole anti-tank idea. If there wasn't extra incentive for being #30, maybe teams don't try THAT hard to lose.

We can only hope.

Seeing those numbers it just continues to amaze me how hard this organization fought against playing some of these guys on a daily basis, both bringing in crappy utility guys, and then either keeping them in the minors, or just plain benched.

Ignore the positions in Pic 1, pay attention to the odds. The only thing I am not sure of is how the odds in pic 2 change when you factor in the disqualified teams.

I never said Getz was free to hire who he wanted.