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The Sox were not a couple of players away from anything except 100 losses instead of 120. This roster was trash from day 1.

The funny thing is attendance will be down thousands per game again next year, yet they may well have their most profitable year ever.

Also this

Crochet #1 on the most likely to be traded SP list. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5591788/2024/06/26/mlb-trade-deadline-predictions-crochet-chisholm/?source=emp_shared_article

Welcome to 2021

Betting odds going into that season had them 3rd best. https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com/2021/03/15/2021-chicago-white-sox-world-series-win-total-pennant-and-division-odds/ There are lots of individual articles out there going into the season and all of them mention the Sox in some form.

The Orioles still need a decent amount of front line pitching. Honestly, this got lost in all of the mess with the immigrant O's fans, but there was definitely a camp of us who felt that Baltimore has enough talent, but needed to rebalance their roster pitching-wise to be able to make that run, and that they needed to either trade for it, or sign it, because it wasn't in the system, and if they f*** around, they might just find out, and miss their window.

This is dumpster fire of lack of information, projections, whatabouts, and whatifs that isn't worth taking seriously.

Seems a bit low for a 2 player return.

Take either Crochet or Robert out and we can talk. Also less pitching, more position players.

At the rate he is going, he is a $20 million pitcher on the open market.

That's when I know I am not wrong. It's when I agree with you that I reexamine my position to see if it is indeed wrong.

I am not sure whose ass you pulled Scott Fletcher out of, but that's not the going price for a guy in Fedde's position. Look at any of the deadline deals we made for our pitching last year, and realize at this point there are fewer sellers at this point than there were last year.

Fedde is going to be here for a year and a half and then be gone anyway. What do we need Fedde for on a 100 loss roster? Get the future guy for him and look for the next Fedde.

Lol, wat?

Yeah, I don't know why this whitewashing of TLR is happening by a couple of people, but I am going to offer my version of community notes here: -I don't know why people are latching on to the "DUI" thing as somehow being a bad thing to have a lack of respect for a person because of. Yes, I am fully OK with thinking less of someone who has all of the privilege and wealth that a man needs and yet somehow twice be caught endangering the lives of other people (and himself) with the full knowledge that he probably did this dozens of times besides being caught twice. The average is thought to be somewhere around 80 times before being caught. All while fully being able to afford a freaking uber/taxi/limo home at worst. Even while caught, the man tried playing the "don't you know who I am" card. -He also has the stigma of being accused of racism by former players, coming in to lead a team full of minorities. It was definitely worth questioning if that history would be a fit with a young and very much non-TLR looking team. -Even besides his less than glowing off of the field record, the man had been outside of a baseball dugout for over a decade, and was rightfully being questioned over how he would be able to handle how much the game had changed since he left. -If you want to look at his interim front office work, since he left the dugout, it centered around two teams that took large steps backwards during his tenure with them. So while a couple seem to feel this was only about his DUIs, that is 100% not true. There were a ton of legitimate reason being given as to why hiring Tony was an awful idea, and nothing that happened during this time here seemed to do anything to disprove that. Tony inherited an ascending playoff team, and it fell backwards pretty significantly during his time here. He also publicly hung his own player out to dry and ignored his own coaches trying to tell him rules updates, before quietly quitting for a reason that still hasn't been fully explained to the general public, among some of the public controversies that surrounded his time here.

We could even talk about subbing in a former and recently graduated guy or two as well.

How do you justify that he alone wasn't the problem?

That JR/ Eddie group was the first Hawks teams I really got into.