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I mean they should have wanted to win the division too, but that sure didn't help them against Cleveland.

The big difference has been very consistent line ups. Some changes, but the main guys are in same spot daily, and out there almost every day. Also Leury has been buried.

So when do they fire Joe?

Hi Mrs. Leury Garcia!

To be fair most people don't think he understands line ups because of the last 300ish games he has managed. Pretty much all of baseball has joined in the sentiment.

RIP 2022

If you look at anything but his ERA, you will see that his defense is his biggest enemy.

He also looks way different if you look past what his defense has done to him, adding over a run per game to his ERA.

We won't talk about the 15 posts you did after your warning to get suspended either, right? Nor the fact that this is why you are trolling Soxtalk today? But yes @Paulie4Pres, consider this a warning. Please leave the politics out of it.

But I was led to believe this was for Tony.

And there are the personal attacks. /thread

Glad to know that 2020 didn't suffer from injuries at all.

How about those winning percentages? I guess you are going to ignore that Ricky got it done against far superior competition in both Cleveland and Minny as compared to this year, and that Tony has seen his team perform less and less each season, with as you said, a not very good team? I know you want to misdirect by including what the rest of baseball was doing two years ago, instead of what the Sox are doing now, but again that is kind of the point. A better equipped team, is doing worse each season, with worse competition under this manager. Then after he steps away, the team looks like it did before he got here. Runs scored are up, homers are up, and the team is winning.

Maybe if he stays away a little longer.

If only we had some sort of a group of people who were professionally paid to follow this team, and maybe even had access to ask these types of questions of this organization. A fantasy, I know.

Remind me what seed we are this year?

I will cling to facts, you keep clinging to Tony. If your argument is that the 2020 team wasn't very good with a mediocre manager, yet got to the playoffs, what does it say about Tony who is failing with a better team in 2022?

Hopefully you realize that makes the case for Tony as an inferior manager even more clear, but probably not. If Ricky could taken an inferior team to the playoffs with a winning percentage that Tony has never been able to approach with a deeper roster, that just means Tony is a bigger flop. It means the talent has been there all along, and even a mediocre manager in RR could unlock it, yet Tony can't. But details.

That's kind of the point. Even if you want to take out the position player stuff, all of the sudden, this looks like the team we have waited 130 games for.

Or the ass isn't around...

If someone could put together the runs per game and HR/G before and after Tony, I would love to see it.

Tony was handed a playoff team and turned it into a .500 team with it getting worse the longer he had been here. I know the Rick Hahn slight of hand is a way to protect Tony, but if Tony was literally anywhere else in baseball, he would have been fired already. Protect Britney all you like, but the results speak for themselves, as does Tony being mocked by the baseball world.

It's too bad that we have a leashed media in the city, because there is a story there. NO ONE in this organization is willing to stand in front of a camera and talk about Tony. It's just bizarre. Though the old saying about saying nothing still saying a lot comes to mind.