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QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:00 PM) I'll have a great deal for you! The plan is 3 days Rio, 2 days Manaus, 2 days Amazon Rain Forest. Just out of morbid curiousity... How much, if you don't mind.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) LMAO, Dude, let's get really high and think about soxy, that would be soooo cooool. Maybe I'll send her an email No way! Way! Our future is safe in their hands. [closes email browser, slowly walks away]

Is this guy just making up trade ideas or does he have a basis in fact?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) Who said anything about contracts getting smaller, if you read my posts, Garland will not be one of the top pitchers out there. He wont make as much money as the elite or top three arms on the market, because only a certain amount of teams are willing to overpay for arms. Thats all. The top arms always make more than the middle arms anyway. With the combination of age, health, potential, and statistics, Jon Garland is going to be one of the most desirable arms on the market next year. If AJ Burnett is worth 5 years at $11 million per year, dispite his sub .500 career record and MAJOR injury history, and you are telling me that contracts won't get smaller next year, it just goes to reason that Garland could get more years and more money as he is a much more attractive pitcher to a team who needs pitching help, and way less of a risk. You also seem to be forgetting the zero sum game that is free agency, for every player that leaves, someone has to replace that pitcher. All saying there will be a bunch of good pitchers on the market next year means is that a bunch of teams will be potentially losing good pitchers and have the need to sign someone to fill their shoes. These things don't happen in a vaccuum.

Judging by Kenny's fixation on players and the Sox potential to move a starter... How about a Griffey/Freel for Garland deal?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) The market this year is different from one that will feature as many top level pitchers as next year. And I am sure no one will be trying to sign any of those pitchers, or that no teams are losing any pitchers that they will need to replace or anything. OK try this one on for size. With the exceptions of post strike years, when was the last time free agents contracts got smaller one year vs the next one?

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) You're serious? In your opinion, Javier Vazquez is worth El Duque, the sixth starter of sorts, Vizcaino, a contributing member of the bullpen, Chris Young, on pace to be this teams staple in CF beginning as early as 2007, and $5M cash? I suppose the logical thing to do here would be wait until Kenny's plan is executed to its completion, but, knee-jerk reaction: just don't like it. Naturally, I'll still devote as much of my "fandom" to this club as ever before. We all know this. We are talking about a pitcher we didn't want, the last right hander out of our pen, and a good prospect with an ETA of 2007 who plays a position that we have 3 other legitimate prospects, 2 knocking on the majors door, that we traded. Hernandez was worthless to us, Vizcaino is easily replacable. Young is the only one who MIGHT hurt, and that won't be for a while. Yes this deal is a winner for the Sox.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) Can you please list the FA pitchers next year? Please explain how Garland would be the best on that list, thanks How about you print me a list of the contracts that people have been getting in the free agent market the last two seasons and you explain to me how Garland won't get a better deal than the great majority of them?

This never gets old.

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) Buehrle is an anomoly. You don't normally take young pitchers that have shown to be ready in the majors in the few starts they have gotten and throw them in the bullpen. Then next year when Contreras/ Garland leave, you try to plug the guy back into the rotation after he is used to pitching a couple innings every so often (maybe 75 total innings) and ask him to go out and pitch 200 innings. You do that for either untested players (Buehrle) or players that have struggled as starters (Cotts). Garland is another bad example... He worked out of the pen too. Its hard to say Neal struggled as a starter with as few starts as he had. Give the kid a real chance before calling him a failed starter. The Sox have talked in the past about starting kids out in the pen to give them good match ups to build their confidence and pitches. This should come as no surprise.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) I guaren-damn-tee Garland has a bigger contract that Javier Vazquez. Unless Garland breaks his neck, I'd put money on it.

I said it in August and got laughed at, but I will say it again... $90-100 million.

Call me McDonalds, because I'm lovin it.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) We're becoming the Yankees... Look at our pitching staff and say that again with a straight face. We've always know Kenny was aggresive, now after winning the WS he has a few more dollars to play with. None of this should come as any surprise.

QUOTE(Sox1422 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 10:07 AM) I'm just happy to see ther eare others who realize how huge this would be. ^ I am with you guys.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:59 AM) Prediction: This will be one of the most active days, in terms of posts, ever on this board. lol, I was just thinking 1000 post thread, easy.

Yeah, Joey has dibs, and I think I owe the Zooks a favor anyways 40 days old and Mads already has suiters fighting over here... Yup, that's my girl

QUOTE(heirdog @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 09:27 AM) BMac is a starter and a major-league ready 5th starter now. There is no way we move him to the pen for a season and hinder his progress. He is plugged in as your 5th starter with Buerhle at 1, It is ironic that you went from saying that starting in the pen would hinder Bmacs development, straight to talking about Buehrle as the number one starter. For those who do not remember, MB got broke into the Sox, out of the bullpen as a long reliever... It seemed to workout OK for him.

No big surprise here... this is a continuation of the pissing contest that started the day Katrina hit land. The locals don't want the trailers because they are afraid they will become permanent to semi-permanent, and the feds want the trailers to give them sometime for the private sector to be able to rebuild. So the locals drag their feet giving the feds places to put the trailers and nothing gets done. Once again net loser is the people stuck in the middle. Just once I wish something could get done without the crap.

Thank God. Keep passing on our prayers and well wishes to everyone!!!! Madison still needs the arranged marriage

Just a few thoughts here after reading all 59 pages... #1 Vazquez+Cooper=Contreras. There is something they see in Vazquez they think they can fix. They obvious told Ozzie to feel the kid out and check out his mental state. Obviously Ozzie likes what he said, because he is a White Sox now. #2 I get the feeling one of the starters has some kind of an injury, and I get the feeling it is Garcia. I have no real evidence, just Kenny worrynig about Garcia being tired, and then aquiring another starter. #3 Maybe a little bit of thinking outside the box might be necesary here... If Jenks fails as a closer, remember that the Sox originally were looking at aquiring Contreras to be a closer. That would slide Bmac into the rotation to be the #5, and no bullpen arm is needed. #4 I love Kenny Williams. Not only is he looking at 2006, he is looking at 2007 and 2008 and what inflation has done to the pitching market. He is buying the guys in rookie ball and A ball two years to get ready for the majors instead of forcing them quicker than they need to go. He just dealt a starting pitcher we didn't want, the last reliever out of our pen, and a prospect in a position where we feel we have two other major league ready players at for a top of the rotation starter... AND got Arizona to pick up some contract. KW for Exec of the year 2006.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 05:07 PM) He signed a $32 million, four-year contract (2003, 04, 05, 06). So salary arbitration in 2006. Good point, the Sox still own his rights for two years after the contract is up. In other words I don't think Contreras is going anywhere... kiss Jon Garland good bye.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) So, yeah, we're discussing pedophilia these days. I miss baseball. The really scary thing is how many experts there seem to be

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) uhhh, yes. believe it or not, the vast majority of people would rather not be in prison. I would also guess that a majority of murderers in states like Texas would rather not be executed either...

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) I see. So are there any other ways to get my computer to work faster? There are some solid suggestions here... also make sure you are clean on adware/spyware/viruses. Also you could go through and delete any games/programs that you haven't used for a year or so.