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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) He's actually gotten progressively worse every single year since then, with last year being hands down his worst season, both offensively and defensively. He shouldn't even be offered arbitration with how bad he performed last year. And 2012 was not a successful season either. They won 85 games, which was where Cleveland finished last year, well outside of the playoffs. Like you just said, selling out the entire minor leagues in order to get to 85 wins isn't a very good move.They also only got to that point through quality defense...which as we all have seen has absolutely vanished with this team the subsequent 2 years. So they didn't contend in 2012 with Tank in LF in 2012? Steamer has him at about 2012 level overall in 2015.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) First, on the bolded, Oh god no. Totally disagree. Second, Rodon has never pitched more than 130 innings in a season, and that was at the college level. I'm ok with someone saying we're going to work him into the rotation this season, but there is absolutely no way you're going to count on him to be a mid-rotation starter. That is a very, very weak rotation when your #3 guy might be exhausted by 150 big league innings. Why can't the White Sox contend with Tank in LF? Did 2012 never happen?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) Because its the only way to fill a roster with this many major holes if we also are thinking about signing any high-priced free agents. Well that makes no sense. The free agents fill the holes. If you want these other guys, wait a year.

What I don't understand is people still rip KW for gutting the farm system when he traded forgetble players for productive ones, now they want to trade the prospects they have been raving about for perhaps one yer of Heyward or Samardjia.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Smyly alone put up better numbers in the big leagues than price gave the Tigers. It would be like if the white sox traded Quintana and prospects for price. A lot of people would be saying the Rays got ripped off just based on reputation of the players involved. Maybe not the most knowledgeable ones but certainly the average fan. They also gave up Austin Jackson and a decent prospect.

The Bulls are 5-1 and have had 3 starters miss games with injury, had perhaps the games best 6th man miss time hurt are working at least 4 new guys in to the rotation, and there still is panic. Just like with the Cavs, assuming good health, betting against the Bulls will make you look clueless when the season is over.

I am sure if he can handle 2b that is what the Sox prefer but if not there are a lot of players that became OFs. The Sox have one right now. The gold glove LF was a third baseman. Tim Raines came up as a 2B.

The one and only. He's a handsome man.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) It's funnier how it doesn't matter how many times I try to clarify what I said to you about Steamer, you continue to make this conclusion. For everyone's benefit, here are the quotes you're misapplying along with some context: Now please stop claiming I said Steamer cannot be used. The only reason I said anything was because of your line that I bolded above, because it's a nonsensical thing to say. That's all. I wasn't even arguing with the point you were making USING Steamer (which was that it saw Victor Martinez as better than his career averages), only the part where you said "if you want to use FanGraphs, don't pick and choose stats." Why don't you show the post you actually dismissed my Steamer numbers. Feeky uses Steamer. You have used it a few times. The only time I see you fighting against it is when it says Victor Martinez should be really good next year and it goes against your argument that 36 year olds shouldn't be playing major league baseball.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) ~1. Bonifacio - have no opinion on him. I never factored him for the sox to get him. ~2. Chris Young - same as above. ~3. Kendrys Morales (1/$9) - a 1 yr deal. let him rebuild his value. a win / win deal. ~4. Rasmus the sox had a chance to get him before. but his baggage that comes with him deter that. I just don't know. what does anyone think of a 1 yr deal with a clause of the baggage coming into play? A couple of those interviews with Rasmus near the end of the season would give one the impression he doesn't exactly like playing baseball.

The thing is, the schedule in the NBA is a bit flexible. Because of arena concerns teams often have their choice of a couple days when to schedule the game. Teams probably want to play a home game vs. SA the night after the Spurs just played.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) I can see the Sox going after Rasmus, Morales as a fall back option if they cannot find something somewhere else but Young and Bonafacio I just don't see. Young is a guy the White Sox have pursued at least a little bit I think last year. I think that plays into the prediction. But it really doesn't make much sense unless there are some trades.

LaRussa hated Rasmus. The Sox could have had Rasmus when they trade EJax but didn't want him when he was cheaper and more highly thought of as a prospect. I have a hard time believing JR signs off on Rasmus, especially for 3 years. This guy has a lot of issues.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) Only way I'm signing martinez if it's non guaranteed 4 year deal. 2 yr with 3rd year option or 3 yr with 4th option. Plus if they are going to sign him then the sox better make sure they are competing here on out. He has the seems to get better with age like konerko did but still has to have some point where he can't do it anymore. If he's signed her for a 4 yr deal and he craps out after year one when we better be competing then you have dunn all over again. He's pretty much a pure dh only at this point. He would look good in the lineup but to many things to go wrong and be a dead contract on the team. Would rather see someone younger and a rotation dh I am obviously hoping they sign him, and agree with everything you posted.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:49 PM) He has the Sox going big on quantity and small on dollars, scooping up outfielders Rasmus (3/$36), Bonifacio (2/$12), and Chris Young (1/$5) while signing Kendrys Morales (1/$9). I have no violently negative reactions to any of those names at those prices, including Rasmus. No arms, but he limited his guesses to 55 top guys and a lot of the available relief pitchers weren't on that list. Bonifacio is a name that I haven't seen brought up around here much. Not sure how much of a fit he is. He's a good utility guy to have around as he can pretty much play every position and he would be especially useful as Eaton injury insurance, but a two-year deal seems unlikely to come from the Sox. I also can't see both Bonifacio and Young; I feel like the Sox would rely on someone internally rather than bringing in a second guy who doesn't move the needle much. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2015-free-agent-predictions/ I don't like Rasmus, but if Martinez is unattainable, Morales makes sense to me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:53 PM) I dunno, I'd say that trying as hard as possible and having it screw up the following 3 seasons (see: our last set of "all-in" moves) is actually worse than not trying at all since that one screwed up half a decade of baseball. How did it screw it up? What would have been better? The Sox went "all in" when they brought back Paulie and AJ. AJ got about $8 million for 2 years and had a great 2012. Paulie was on fire in 2011, and was great for half of 2012, and I believe they found his replacement. For a guy who accuses others of making things up, you sure do make a lot of things up.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) And as I just pointed out in excruciating detail, While his average season would look fine in the middle of the white sox's order, the end result of Scott Downs 2.0 in the bullpen and Bassitt, Noesi, and Danks making up 3/5 of the rotation would leave that bat extremely likely to be wasted. Except for 1 season, basically every White Sox performance since any of us has been alive has been "wasted". The one thing worse than trying to win and failing, is not trying at all.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:38 PM) Which, again, has now happened exactly 2 times in his career, continuing to enforce my point that the desire for him remains based on a ridiculous performance last year that the team signing him is unlikely to get. BS. His average season would look very nice in the middle of the White Sox line up, and may make some pitchers pitch to Abreu. His 162 game averger year is very similar to Carlos Beltran., who as a free agent, was 1 year older than Victor, and received $45 million for 3 years.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) Nobody strikes out as little as Martinez does, so yeah, you're right on that. Just because guys don't strike out doesn't automatically make them good hitters though. However, as long as we can take out the phrase "strike out very seldom" (because a 15-20% strikeout rate is the average for a MLB hitter at this point), and while this list will change in the next 12 months, there are plenty of players who qualify as "extraordinary, professional, big run producing hitters." http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/2016...ree-agents.html To show how much the game has changed, Martinez is the only qualified hitter who walked more than he fanned.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) With a .371 babip during that 2nd half. His career number is .316, and it was .313 on the whole 2013 season. You'd have looked at Victor Martinez and said he's a decent DH, he'll contribute, he gets a lot of hits, but he's not a guy worth breaking the bank for. Then he more than doubled his HR total, pushing up his batting average and everything else with it in 2014 and that remains literally the only reason he's on this list. 162 game average for his 12 year career: 21 HR 103 RBI .306 AVG. .373 OBP .475 SLG. If he had an average year for him, he would have received a real good contract.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) Here's the crazy thing...you'd have said the exact same thing last offseason about this offseason's Free Agent class - that there's not going to be any big time run producing hitters available, and that statement would have included Victor Martinez. At this point last season, Victor Martinez didn't look like a guy who would be a big time, run producing, high demand free agent. I disagree. He has been a really good hitter for a very long time. He made himself some money, and probably lessened the fears of his aging, and any lingering effects of his knee surgery, but he has been a really good hitter. He hit .361 the second half of 2013.

The Bulls and Michael Jordan knew they had a responsibility when he was playing for him to take the court if at all physically possible. People paid big money to specifically see him play. He played heavy minutes in exhibition games. I don't think any individual Spurs are anywhere near that status. I am sure people bought tickets to specifically see the Spurs, but I don't think it's as big of a dissappoint when Tim Duncan sits as paying to se LeBron and seeing him in street clothes at the end of the bench. It isn't like this is the first time this has happened.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) Anyone remember when VMart signed with Detroit ? I was reading that back then the Sox offered him more money than the Tigers along the lines of 3/$48M but he chose the Tigers for more years less AAV and that Adam Dunn was actually our fall back signing. Hasn't Hahn hinted that the Sox could be going after someone we have pursued in the past ? The one thing I remember was the rumor was Dunn was signing with Detroit.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 08:03 AM) If the NBA doesn't want him sitting guys in their late 30s for prime time games, they don't have to make those the 2nd night of B2B's. While I think you do "owe" the paying customers something, you really can't argue with this post.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 05:15 PM) with all the new info that was mention yesterday about how a catcher gets rated. thanks to all for sharing. The different framing numbers show different results for many catchers. Flowers is awful in one and #11 in the other. One thing is constant, Salty is the worst in baseball in both.