Dick Allen

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) I agree, and I don't think it'd be that hard to do so. At times, you just have to find the least flawed statistics and use more than one of them to prove a point. One issue I have is with ballpark adjustments. IMO, you are just taking someone's word those adjustments are accurate, and as been pointed out, I think that varies greatly from player to player. Jim Thome had no problem with Target Field. Target Field freaks Joe Mauer out.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) I follow your logic and understand what you're saying. I was thinking they did have the breakdown somewhere of park factors for both RH's and LH's. If it's not included, I agree they should do more to neutralize for that as well. Maybe it's something one of us can ask to the brains over at FGs to see if they incorporate that into their statistic or not. Right, but that really doesn't have much to do with OPS itself, just general roster construction and a way of favoring what type of player you're looking for based on that criteria. I'm not saying OPS is wrong, just that it's something I try to not to reference on a regular basis because it is a flawed statistic. You can make a case for every statistic being a flawed statistic. One thing I really like about OPS isn't necessarily the number, although if you are getting into the low 700s, obviously, there is diminishing returns. But it can also be used as a gauge as to what direction a hitter is heading.

Everyone is piling on now: http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/inside-t...out-jay-cutler/

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) 7 points before halftime in the last 2 games. 7. And yesterday was so typical for Cutler. You had throws to Marshall that were telegraphed from the start (and obviously were batted down). You had him freaking out under pressure and killing a play before it was necessary to do so. You had the opposite - him failing to find a wide open Marshall on a blitz and instead taking a 10-12 yard loss sack (which resulted in a short field and another TD). You had the moronic fumble that went for a TD. Then for whatever reason he remembers that he has one of the best catching TE's in football and Bennett starts to open up the field. Forte ran pretty well (not great, but not bad) the entire game. But no matter, the game was lost before then. He f***ing sucks. There is no argument anymore. He's terrible. I don't know if it's the pressure. I don't know if it's because he's a moron that doesn't know the system as well as he claims. I don't know if it's because he and Trestman are not on the same page. At this point the why doesn't matter. This is an 8-8, no playoffs franchise while he is under center. 4-7 since he came back from injury, and he leads the lead in turnovers since then as well. He really is the second coming of Jeff George.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:53 PM) Slauson, Houston done for the year. Sharpton has a hamstring injury I know this is sort of anti-fan, and despite the lack of sacks, Houston hasn't really been turrible but LMAO. What a clown.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 12:32 PM) I know Toronto & Montreal aren't THAT close, but I wonder if they would want to keep the Canadian teams in separate leagues, just like the Yankees/Mets, Cubs/Sox, Giants/As, etc. It would be great just leaving them where they are. 18 or 19 head to heads. Montreal is a pretty cool place. I would love for it to happen for road trip purposes, and hopefully a return of the Expos with the same type of uniforms.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:49 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/al-e...des-hamels.html I don't know why the Orioles would offer him the QO. If he took it, adding his buyout, it comes out to about the same as his option.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:21 AM) Yeah but big difference there, Ordonez was on his rookie contract so he had no real control of where he was going anyway. The White Sox could have traded him to the worst team in baseball and there's nothing he could have done about it, that's the "its a business" part. No. It was an extension that pushed his free agency back a year or two.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) The sad part is the worst blood came when the Sox tried to offer him a contract even though he was injured, and then lied about not having surgery in Europe, without telling the team. He turned them down before he was injured. When he hurt his knee and was down on the field, Ozzie told him he should have signed the extension. At that point, Boras was his agent. He was done with the White Sox.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 09:58 AM) Actually, that's exactly what the Marlins have done with several people in order to get a cheap season out of them and then trade them. I still can't believe that Mark didn't see it coming. The White Sox did this with Maggs. He was underpriced until 2004, then they tried to trade him for Nomar once he was getting paid what he should have been. It started the bad blood, but it is a pretty good strategy assuming a team is willing to pick up the contract. It can easily blow up in your face.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 09:34 PM) Ned Yost is going to get battered/eviscerated this time for not PHing for Shields with a chance to pull the game within a run (2-1) in the middle innings. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Bumgarner's just been too good. Nobody has been better in the post-season this half decade. Not even close. The Royals beat him 4-2 in the regular season but that hasn't mattered a bit. Now he's using Herrera when the game's already been decided in the minds of many. The KC Royals make the playoffs for the first time in 29 years, and make it to the World Series, are 2 wins from a title, and their fans still complain about their manager. I hope it takes at least another 29 years before they sneak into the Wild Card game and lose it. Hopefully it will be 7-0 in the first inning.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 27, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) WARNING: OPS Rant Omg why are people still citing OPS and treating it like it's a proxy for a player's overall value? Not only is OPS bad, but everyone is still tuned to the standards of the steroid era, when every outfielder had to be 800+. This is simply NOT representative of baseball today. Let's use numbers that (a) properly weight the constantly changing value relationship between OBP and SLG, and (b) are actually adjusted to the offensive era that we are in. 2014 Jason Heyward: 110 wRC+, +24.1 UZR, 5.4fWAR. This is a guy who hit 10% better than league average and played elite defense in 2014 -- in fact, almost as elite as you can possibly be. The result was an all-star caliber player. You would NOT expect the +25 UZR to be sustainable (though he's done it before in 2012), but since he's always been between +10 and +25, it's reasonable to expect a +10-15. And since the wRC+ is actually a touch BELOW his career of 117, there's no reason to believe he won't be sitting at 110-115 next year. And that would be an awesome season and he would be the best position player on our team, save Abreu. Please stop citing OPS, it's problematic. It gives us an inaccurate picture of the truth and we have better tools that are just as easy to find and utilize. Ok, I'm done. I'm sorry, GreenSox. I know I'm a jerk. The point about the one-year of control is huge, but for like three pages here it looks like everyone is talking about a trade being contingent on an extension. The part that makes it interesting is that his value would conceivably be lower than one might think simply because of the lack of control. I'm not sure how it would be affected if all involved parties knew that a handshake extension agreement was being made. Unless he falls on his face in 2015, the Braves would give him a QO, so the White Sox would have to pony up a pretty nice package to get him. Any talk of a discount, considering the Braves are also trying to win, and really aren't trying to dump his salary, IMO is just that, talk. There is no way he won't cost a lot in talent. I wonder if the White Sox even match up talent-wise in a trade. A lot of teams are looking for LH bats who have prospects closer to the big leagues. He would be a nice guy to have, but I would wait a year, although many times, a contract year brings out the best. He is 6'5" and 245 pounds. I think his elite defense tails off sooner rather than later, which IMO puts a lot more emphasis on his OPS. The power drought this year is a little bothersome, but not that much. If it becomes permanent, it can turn into a problem. What you will have to pay for him, in 2 or 3 seasons, if he is putting up a .740 OPS, the paychecks will be bigger than the production.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 06:33 PM) #6 ouch Only the second time someone has thrown for 500 yards and at least 6 TDs in an NFL game.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 05:55 PM) @kfishbain: Of the highest completion percentages the Bears have allowed in a single game in franchise history, 6 of the top 13 have occurred since 2013 Brady had the same amount of TD passes as incompletions.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) Cespedes- I'm thinking maxing out is the plan as it makes the most sense. He will be a 30 year old FA, the FA market pays better now than when he signed and his best chance at a lucrative long term deal. In FA, multiple teams bidding for his services will drive up his price as well. LaRoche- good call on his option. I missed that part. His option is for 15M in 2015, I see no reason why the Nat's wouldn't pick it up. He could be trade bait but I get the feeling the Nat's keep him around. 15M for his bat is pretty damn good value. So, now who do we talk about? Zimmerman is supposedly only going to physically be able to play 1B. Thus the speculation. They may not want to risk picking up the option because another team may not want to pay him that much, let alone give up something worthwhile while taking on the money. I do think he would be someone for Hahn to consider if he is turned loose

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 03:41 PM) Yeah, this is personnel related more than scheme related right now. I'm most concerned about Trestman and our qb right now. I don't know, the former NFLers in Jiggetts, Miller, Buffone and OB, thought the scheme for Gronk was awful. In fact, Buffone said TE have been killing the Bears all season, and they don't seem to be mixing it up to try and change it. I am just relaying what they said. I am certainly not a football technician.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 25, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) Ah yes. The other typical DA still ignoring what he wants to read. I already said I was exaggerating on the stolen base number and said IF Micah actually hits/gets on base/even starts as the 2B. My point was he is known as an aggressive manager. Balta already proved my point listing the Rays ranking in stolen base numbers under his tenure. I also mentioned personnel and health of his players (hell Damon was still stealing 20+ at nearly age 40) But hey, keep fighting the good fight for nothing my man. Not quite the same without Pratt though. Again, that has everything to do with personnel, when he had personnel who ran, they ran. The White Sox ran more often this year. Ned Yost led teams led the league the last couple of years. It is not the manager. It is the players. The years the Rays stole a lot of bases, if they had the White Sox roster, they would not. Kiss his ass all you want, if he goes to a team with a bad roster, he is going to lose just like he did his first 2 years and just like he didithis year.

OB and Buffone are on fire. It is a commercial now, but Buffone is going after Mel Tucker after the break. Should be good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) This follows up by a bye week then on the road at Green Bay (just write them down as 3-6). I for one am glad I don't have chicago sports radio available to me. You can always listen online.

QUOTE (juddling @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) Can't wait to flip on the Score and listen to Doug and OB after this debacle......lol OB might have an anuerism.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Lamar Houston prolly just tore his ACL on a sack dance. But it was a HUGE sack. Football players have a reputation for being stupid. It often is well deserved.

Houston is a dope.

That was an awesome catch.

45-7 and now a heavy load of handoffs to Forte. If he gets hurt.......

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 26, 2014 -> 02:04 PM) Marshall gave up on that ball. You can start to see he may become a problem.