Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 09:33 AM) TUC, respectfully, I just don't think Castro and Headley quite move the meter to push us into contention. (And trading Flowers and Gillaspie to get Castro and then replacing him with Chase make our team payroll go up $10-15 million but AT BEST put us around the .500 mark, and that's being EXTREMELY optimistic IMO). They're solid veteran players, but it just feels like a "place-holding" move, waiting for 2016. Same thing with a declining Andre Ethier. I would like to see a risk taken, whether it's on Shields, or Josh Hamilton, or Matt Kemp. Or even dumping John Danks, although we all know how likely that is to actually happen, being White Sox fans. Sure, Keppinger and Downs were pushed out the door, but those are different situations and nothing like the money involved with Danks. Josh Hamilton? LMAO.

JR said back of the rotation starter, so that pretty much eliminates guys like Latos and Shields.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 09:24 AM) Unless the Sox have identified a flaw in his hitting mechanics....not that they're to be trusted too much with hitters, but perhaps there's reason to have a lot more faith in Steverson than Walker or Manto, so there's that. You really need to get off the hitting coaches. The reason the Sox offense is better this year is a few new players. If they don't add Abreu and Eaton, Steverson is the new idiot. Viciedo really isn't better. Beckham really isn't better. Ramirez has been what he was previously with so called morons as hitting coaches. Gillaspie really isn't a for sure thing. De Aza wasn't better. Flowers has had his moments, but really, does anyone really think he is significantly changed?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) We had Santiago, Reed and Peavy to trade last year. This year, what? Maybe Alexei Ramirez? Dayan Viciedo? John Danks? C'mon. Conor Gillaspie and Tyler Flowers? Other than Abreu/Sale/Quintana/Eaton/Ramirez and Avisail Garcia, what do we really have? A LOT of question marks. A lack of talent, other than Rodon. We're not going to get anything significant back without dealing Anderson/Montas/Danish/Hawkins...and 2 of those last 3 guys would have to be bundled together, at the very least. Rodon and Adams aren't going anywhere, so I'm not even counting them. Fathom mentioned during the game thread that Avisail Garcia would be a good candidate to shop around...we'll see if that actually materializes or not. The Sox made it known that Garcia was off limits last offseason. I don't see how that would change now, especially considering his value probably hasn't changed much.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) So you would say the Rays are doing well right now...by including last season's results? That's PART of the truth, sure...but you could just as easily argue they'd be fighting for the playoffs now with Shields AND PRICE AND Wade Davis. Not to mention their attendance has been abysmal...even more abysmal than usual for them. At any rate, I made a bet with Dick Allen that Beckham would hit under .240 and he wouldn't ever mention Don Cooper again...not sure if he's going to honor that one. So a second one. I'd be more than happy to wager whatever you want that the Royals are going to make the playoffs at least this season. The Royals making the playoffs for the first time in 29 years without a single player with more than 20 homers or 100 RBI's is pretty strong evidence of the difference he's made to that team. It actually was .215 but then you changed your mind. But I really don't have to mention Don Cooper. You don't read very well and think I don't like him and blame him for pitcher's sucking. All I have ever wondered was why when hitters don't hit, the hitting coach is obviously horrible, yet when pitchers suck, it has nothing to do with the pitching coach. What are you supposed to give up if Beckham hits .240?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) I am going to predict a lot of upset fans after this winter. They might be upset, but there is going to be a lot of activity. Hahn has already said he isn't quite sure how he will spend the extra money, whether it is adding a couple big contracts or spreading it around to half a dozen, and certainly some guys are going to be changed anyway. Dunn's comments earlier this week seemed to indicate that while Hahn gave a public perception that yeah, they are rebuilding but are trying to win, privately the team knew this was a year of transition. I think, at least at this point, they are in trying to win mode in 2015. How the winter transpires may change that, but there will be plenty of change, which always makes the offseason interesting, whether you like the changes or not.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 11, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) I also feel like scouting would be a bit more improved today. One thing that stings about Trout was there were a lot of mock drafts that had the Sox taking him. They went, as they usually do, with the college guy.

The Cubs did pick right before the Sox 2 years in a row when the Sox had to rebuild in the 80s. They took Mike Harkey, the Sox had to settle for Jack McDowell (This was luck, as I read an article about Al Goldis several years ago, and the Sox really did want Harkey. The next year, they drafted The Ty Griffin. The Sox had to settle for The Boy Wonder, Robin Ventura. This isn't the NBA. You still needs a lot more luck in the MLB draft, even when drafting high, and you can always make your allocation work out.

Hawk mentioning Kip Wells being impressive his first 7 starts. He must have forgot his 3rd start when he gave up 8 earned in 3 2/3 innings.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) How? You find out that he's overmatched and see if he can make the needed adjustments. If he continues to flail away like this, it crosses another option off the list and forces his hand a bit more in terms of either trading for another bat or signing a FA. Personally, I'd much rather see Mitchell out there than Danks, because we already know exactly what Jordan is capable of doing. Mitchell would be awful, but i do agree, if this stint actually harms Wilkins, he isn't going to be someone you can use anyway.

Soxfest sounds good again.

Wilkins has his k rate back up to 50%.

Good guy Ray who only made this one mistake, spit on his fiancé twice before he knocked her out. http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/115...h-lines-reports

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 10, 2014 -> 01:24 PM) He lost Jeffrey. That's it. He still had Forte, Bennett and an 80% Marshall. Missing Jeffrey didn't cause the moronic interception that lost the game. The O-line replacements were more than adequate. And I won't even start on the Conte nonsense. I agree. People are giving it to Conte and I sure he's a bit embarrassed about that last play, but when he started getting pushed around, Jackson was already in chip shot FG range.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:29 PM) Murder and battery are not equivalent. If Ray Rice murdered his fiance, Im pretty sure they wouldnt have entered him into a domestic violence program So lets make a legitimate comparison. You are out one night with your friends drinking. One of your friends gets annoying and you tell him to stop. He keeps going. Youre drunk and not thinking straight, you knock him out. The police come. Your friend is like "Hey its not really his fault, we were both drunk and acting stupid, 1 time incident." Should you go to jail? You knocked a human out, are you a menace? A bad person? Youre entitled to your opinion. I have no problem if Rice is terminated, suspended, whatever. I think its sad that most people actually dont care about the victim and care more about patting themselves on the back about how much they stand against domestic violence, but that will never change. And I dont think Ive once supported Ray Rice. Ive merely challenged people to look at the situation rationally instead of like a lynch mob. You can always take your time to review/investigate and then make an informed decision to execute. You just cant execute and take it back. So he knocked her unconscious, she hit her head on the way down and "oh it was a one time mistake". However, if that same fall resulted in a head injury that caused her death, HIS action is totally different in your mind. And if you knock your friend out in public, yes you should be locked up. What "good person" knocks their friends unconscious? Ray Rice is scum. He ultimately got what he at minimum deserved. I think most people do care about the victim. They are very worried she is in a dangerous place. The people not worried about the victim are the ones saying, well she still married him. That is not what a woman who is thinking clearly would have done. I really doubt we have seen the last of Ray Rice and police.

There was a Pirates scout at the game tonight. I really don't know why, it could be for Oakland, but maybe they are looking at acquiring Sox players. I hope he wasn't looking at Semien tonight.White Sox batters averages in the 9th tonight: .178 .188 .056 Dunn could have mowed them down.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) I have seen a few people (namely the BFFs SS2K and Dick Allen) refer to what Hahn said the other day. Where did he speak and can I find it online? I get mine from chicagotribune .com . Right before game time, they usually have fresh videos with Robin maybe a player and occassionally Hahn.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) How in God's name do you make 4 errors in half a game? Not even Jackie Robinson West did that...they were better coached and exemplified better fundamentals IMO. OK

I am at the game sitting right behind Ozney and Oney. They are checking the Twins scores hoping for a last place White Sox finish and I don't think it is for the draft picks.

Interesting that Hawk said if you want to win you have to spend money the other day.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 06:41 PM) Tyler Flowers = John Buck To me Flowers is Kelly Shoppock. He will put up really nice numbers one year and get about 8 major league seasons out of it.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Worse in the sense that he might have gone to jail for a night, but there's no way in hell he's losing his career. These guys punch each other in games with no fines or suspensions. You really don't get away with knocking someone out in public. Especially when there is video of the entire thing, and your victim is willing to press charges. Rice would have been looking at several years in prison. Probably wouldn't have got it, but he would have received some time, and it would have cost him a lot of money.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Did he commit a crime? Well it depends on how you view the American justice system. I view it as simply, you are innocent until proven guilty. Since he was never found guilty, I have to say he is innocent. Doesnt mean he is a good person, or that what he did is right. It just means that a prosecutor and judge (who had more information than I do) believed that the best route was to get a deal where Rice would have to work on his behavior, instead of trying to take this to trial and putting him in jail. Was that a good decision? I dont know, but its no different than the NFL's original decision. Once its done, its done. To me its akin double jeopardy, which is something you either believe in or not. He certainly committed a crime. Whether he gets convicted of said crime is another story, but I think he would have a hard time getting out of this one. But if I am a good person and for some reason my neighbor cranking Boy George at 1 in the morning bothers me so I go over and stab him to death, instead of putting me in jail, I should go to some classes to work on my behavior? If not, what is the cutoff? To me if this was a one time isolated incident, I would have figured, he would have come to his senses after he knocked her out, but yet he dragged her by her hair out of the elevator. If he is capable of doing that, why wouldn't he be capable of doing it again to anyone and why shouldn't he be considered a menace?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Just making s*** up here. There's no evidence of that, at all. Also, I'd like the record to show that we're treating women differently here, even though we're not supposed to. Equality, right? If Rice had hit another guy in the elevator this is a non-story. If Rice had hit another guy, he certainly would have gone to jail, probably would have been sued, and perhaps unavailable to the Ravens this year anyway. I do agree, the outrage wouldn't have been the same, but Rice may have ultimately wound up worse than he is now. But read about abuse. This stuff is not made up. There is a pattern that develops, and Rice seems well into that pattern.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Sep 9, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Just making s*** up here. There's no evidence of that, at all. Also, I'd like the record to show that we're treating women differently here, even though we're not supposed to. Equality, right? If Rice had hit another guy in the elevator this is a non-story. If Rice had hit another guy, he certainly would have gone to jail, probably would have been sued, and perhaps unavailable to the Ravens this year anyway. I do agree, the outrage wouldn't have been the same, but Rice may have ultimately wound up worse than he is now.