Dick Allen

A lot of the additional revenue is going to be tied up giving the players we have their raises. Garland and AJ are going to get big increases. Hop that the Sox go deep in the playoffs, because playoff games are huge moneymakers. I think a 10 person suite is $10,000 for a World Series game, $7,000 for an ALCS game and $4000 for a ALDS game.

Bat him ninth. He's not helping at all right now. The Sox should be ready to play the World Series in an NL park, they've been playing without a DH for a month now. I really don't think its fair to any of the other guys to throw them in the line-up now after not doing anything for so long and expect them to be able to execute. Everett needs to look in the mirror, quit his b****ing and hit the baseball.

This is nothing. At chicagotribune.com one of the 5 stories that made the front page of the website had a Sox bashing headline. I clicked on it and it turned out it was a letter to the paper talking about how the game that was blacked out this week was blacked out by JR to get people to go to the park. The Tribune and WGN, everything under that umbrella, is ridiculous.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 25, 2005 -> 12:04 AM) Yep. Remember what San Francisco gave up for A.J Pierzynski? Joe Nathan, Francisco Lirano, and Boof Bonser (11-9, 3.68 ERA in AAA, 168/57 K/BB ratio). OUCH. :banghead Its even more absurd when you think AJ was basically released after 1 season.

I think for 2 years you wouldn't mind having him at $10+ million a year. I think the 3rd and 4th or beyond year of his contract is when you are going to wish he'd get really hot for a couple weeks and Steinnbrenner gets pissed enough at his team to trade for him. Can you imagine how slow this guy is going to be 4 years from now? There may not be much in free agency, but with his contract off the books, they Sox may be in position to pick up a significant contract via trade.

Everett really pounded the ball last night. Sit his ass on the bench, or pull a Marte and just send him home. He isn't helping win games.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 24, 2005 -> 07:24 AM) True, but by that logic then Cub fans can let Sox fans laugh at a collapse by a team that got to Game 7 of the NLCS in 2003. To me, it looks like more of a collapse than it is. If the Indians hadn't gotten white-hot, then the Sox playing sub-.500 ball wouldn't be as glaring as it is now. BUT.... the last 2 weeks have been a throat-grab of the worst kind. No, we laugh because that choke cost them a trip to the World Series, they already were in the NLCS. The Sox collapse if they still won the Wild Card only cost home field. I work with Cub fans, and one of them told me if the Sox won the wild card and won the World Series he still thinks its a bigger choke than the 1969 Cubs. He thinks nobody will mention 1969 again, and he was quite giddy about it. He's a good guy, but he is a total fool when it comes to this. BTW, all that BS that Cub fans don't care about the Sox is just that. They are burning phone lines and emails praying for a total collapse.

I think Everett's performance during September and now this little comment shows the real Carl Everett. Good riddance.

QUOTE(Middle Buffalo @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:31 PM) I don't know why, but all season I would do this weird math in my head, "If the sox play .500 from this point...." So when the sox were 40-12 (I don't know that they ever were, but for example), I'd say they have 110 games left. 55-55 gives them 95 wins for the season and virtually assures them a spot in the playoffs. They were on this pace all season, but I can't believe it's actually come to this. Anyone else do this? Thank God for Jose Contreras tonight. At least BMac and Jose are stepping up at the right time. 95 wins and the Sox miss the playoffs.

Technically it probably is a collapse, but making the playoffs is the goal, so let the Cubs fans laugh at a collapse that still has a team in the playoffs. I'd take that collapse any year. If Buerhle, Garland and Garcia would throw the ball like BMac and Contreras the wild card wouldn't come into play.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) Denny Hocking PHing, man wasn't he a Sox killer with the Twins? Hopefully he won't continue to be a Sox killer.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 09:23 PM) I f***ing hate KC. 2 straight errors, and Indians have 1st and 3rd, one out. Losing 3 of the last 4 games to those clowns is the most painful of the Sox awful stretch.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 01:50 PM) I don't think this collapse is a matter of nerves. They just aren't good enough to hold a 15.5 game lead on Cleveland. I disagree. They are falling apart at the seams. They lost 2 out of 3 to KC one of the worst teams ever. They lost a very winnable game last night. They are feeling the pressure no doubt about it. Hopefully, Minnesota sans Santana and Detroit are just what the doctor ordered.

How could anyone count on Frank to give you anything but a partial season from here on out. Sure the Sox could use him, but to have to count on him being healthy would not be smart IMO.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:55 PM) Pinella or Torre? Who would you want? I take Torre. I'd take Piniella.

QUOTE(SpringfieldFan @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) Correct me if I am wrong, but he didn't "come close" - he made the deal, didn't he? I do agree, though, that management has to take responsibility for the result, not the actions. I am just speaking from my perspective as a fan. SFF Its no deal until its finalized. So you have to say he came close. The same circumstance happened to KW 3 years ago when he agreed to trade Garland for Erstad. The Angels ownership didn't approve so there was no deal.

Although technically it probably is one, I wouldn't considerate a collapse if the Sox made the playoffs as the wild card. I work with a couple of Cub fans who are getting a huge kick out of the results of the past couple of weeks. One of them insisted that if the Sox didn't win the division, but won the wild card and World Series, it still would be a bigger gag than any of the Cubs choke jobs. I used to think he had a brain.

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) I think he means in how it effected this particular team. The strike hurt all of baseball. It may have hurt our fanbase a bit more due to Jerry, but this is directly the team. If this team collapses, it almost feels like all of the players will have to be let go and we will need to rebuild completely, just so there are no reminders of this left. Extreme, I know, but it just feels that way kind of. That's the big question. If this team does fall apart and doesn't make the playoffs how many people could you keep around? Could you keep Ozzie and KW, or would the damage be too great?

I don't know why people are panicked. In 1994 the Sox had a 1 game lead over Cleveland in August when the strike hit, and they were obviously going to win the World Series. The lead is now 1 1/2 with 10 to play, the World Series this year is a lock.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) I keep seeing this mentioned, but I want to know how it would be phsically possible? The stands are built right up to the walls, and there isn't much foul territory behind home plate that they could use. They already took 8000 seats out of the park, so I don't think they will sacrifice anymore seats, not to mention rebuilding the bullpens again somewhere else. I just don't see this happening. The only thing they could do I think is down the left field line they could probably move it back 8 feet. It would cut into the Sox bullpen, but they would have a problem placing the foul pole somewhere without displacing seats. They could make the moat a little smaller, but its really not going to have much of an effect. I'm with you, I think unless they tear a lot of things up, which I can't see happening, there really isn't much they could do in this department.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:44 AM) Hawk's career statistics??? http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harreke01.shtml For the way he talks on the air, I would have thought he would have better numbers than these. Hawk can be self-deprecating about his career. DJ on the other hand you would think hit between 300-400 homers with close to a .300 average, while playing gold glove caliber defense when he is discussing his playing days.

QUOTE(Darren @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) I think you may see them move the fences back. We've tried the power team approach, was always near the top of the league in HRs and we never won it all. I say move the fences back, make it a more pitcher friendly park and move on. When the team was a total power team, their home record was outstanding. They were awful on the road. Pitching has been the difference this season. They have won something like 12 more games scoring 2 runs or less than they had the previous 2 seasons. I would love to see them keep the upgraded pitching staff and add some power and OBP guys. I really think this team needs an offensive superstar.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 10:52 AM) How is it the GM's fault the players peed themselves..? Ozzie asked for, and got, what he wanted from the GM and owners and it worked for 3 months. It's now the GM's fault Ozzie mismanaged (according to many) and the players suck (according to many)? I'm going.. and I'll be in the Q&A.. but if we don't make the playoffs, or get swept from them.. it's not Kenny I'll be yelling at in January. He's ultimately responsible for the roster, and I believe he is ultimately responsible for picking the manager although that one he may have had no choice. Hopefully this is all much to do about nothing the Sox win their next 7 games, Cleveland loses a couple and the Sox breeze through the playoffs, and Ozzie can retire with a White Sox World Series ring.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 23, 2005 -> 10:44 AM) Both of our BA's are now tied at .261 for the year. We are tied for second worst in the AL. Our pitching is great, but we cant hit. Only Seattle is worse than the two teams in BA. Too bad KW didnt try to model us after the Indians. Maybe thats next years Soxfest speech. If this team doesn't make the playoffs and KW is still around at Soxfest who will buy anything that comes out of his mouth? I'm not calling him a liar, I'm just saying his thinking will have to be proven flawed by then. Chemistry

The fact is the Sox fans were very supportive when things were going well, and have been loud and supportive even during this stretch. Ozzie doesn't like getting booed because he potentially is going to lift Politte for a guy he himself kicked off the team a week before. Give me a break. The other problem is this team has s*** the bed at home the last 2 months or so. They are 1-7 their last 8 home games. Games are expensive for a lot of people. Watching a piss poor product while spending hard earned money isn't a way to build the supportive fan base Ozzie wants.