Dick Allen

If he stays healthy and develops like he should, he probably gets you at least as much as Q. I think though if he shows dominance in the second half, he is gone in the winter, or a deadline guy next year. His years don't match up with the rebuild very well. He'll be pitching too many meaningless games. Just about the time total domination hopefully starts. Boras gets him $200 million.

Quality over quantity. The 2 throw ins , blah, at least Rose has some power . Theo has no problem dealing top prospects.

I wonder if Kap will now think Q is a top starter.

I hate that he's a Cub as I cannot root for him any longer, but am happy for him. I thought with his luck, he was destined to pitch in Colorado.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) It's great that you admitted you were wrong. I guess the point is that sometimes things happen which you least expected. Is it usually a huge waste of our time? Yep. But that's half the fun! Not knowing what could possibly be happening. Otherwise, I wouldn't come to this subforum and I'd just wait, like some of my very serious Sox fan friends do, for the deals to be announced, so as not to waste their own time. You see, I tell you something will never happen and look what happens. You can send me a Portillo's beef.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 10:19 AM) I found this one pretty quickly. No surprise you didn't find my response when the trade was made admitting I had been wrong.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) Dag Gum! I am getting tired of the rumors... give me a trade! I need to get work done this week.... Just consider it all BS until it happens, then give people who broke it credit. I remember around Christmas the Q to NYY or Pittsburgh was supposedly going to happen. Hahn later said no team has ever been close for Q.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) I can't believe we got sucked in again. This happened every two weeks or so from December to April and we fell for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. I feel like we should really know better by now. I can't believe anyone bought into it either. A oft injured A ball pitcher who is on the brink of a promotion and on an innings count, gets pulled from a start with stormy weather, add that to a top prospect who has been inactive, not being in the line up, add that to a supposed Ken Rosenthal tweet, yanked so fast no one has a screen shot, about a possible unusual trade. Ignore Rosenthal's facebook page post about a crazy potential trade between Miami and Philadelphia , clearly it's Quintana to the Cubs.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Watch the write-ups then of Reinsdorf's so-called "legacy" in a few years when his tenure as owner of both teams has ended. They won't seem so "separate" when all of that nonsense begins. The narrative has already begun in several fluff pieces: Reinsdorf being described as "so awesome" for the city of Chicago because he brought "seven" championships to the city. He brought six Bulls trophies to the city of Chicago along with the lonely ONE and only ONE championship achieved on the South Side over his nearly 40 years at the helm there. Certainly very impressive for the basketball franchise; not-so-much for the baseball franchise, not over a forty period. Reinsdorf is somehow being made a hero in this city because he's been compared to the losing likes of the Tribune Company, the McCaskey's, and Bill Wirtz. Can you imagine any faint praise greater than this!! We ought to watch out for the favorable journalistic license already underway to conflate this guy's record during his time on the South Side with that with which Michael Jordan allowed him to achieve with the Bulls. Make no mistake: Reinsdorf's last chance for salvaging his legacy with the Sox is tied to this rebuild. If under Reinsdorf's waning days of ownership, Hahn can manage to acquire and develop the kind of players that will lead to a level of achievement manifesting itself in the organization's FIRST-EVER display of sustainable postseason play, then MAYBE Reinsdorf's legacy will withstand historical scrutiny. Otherwise, he'll simply be lumped in with the Allyns and the rest of the organization's owners responsible for the team's sad record of futility, and it'll open up a golden chance for the NEXT OWNER to achieve what no other Sox owner has managed to achieve: a winning Chicago White Sox baseball organization. You should sue him for ruining your life.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 06:56 PM) Cubs #1 prospect Eloy Jimenez also absent from the lineup today. No news on that one either. In the Gonzalez article they were thinking of promoting him as well.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 06:36 PM) Where did he say that? His Twitter has been inactive since this morning. It isn't weird to be skipping with a young pitcher. The circumstances around this hypothetical are weird today and they were weird last week. The Cubs can promote Cease, the Cubs can have him skip a start. Why are they pulling from his starts hours before to do it? You could have made the same point last week. They didn't do either of those things though. They just moved him back a day. If what you propose is the case, can't they give him notice? Why jerk him around if the concern is his development? In the Tribune on Monday. If you google Dylan Cease, you will find the article.I don't know why the Cubs do what the do. That is their business. Maybe he has some soreness. Maybe this particular time it was weather related. I have no idea. You would probably have to ask the Cubs.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 06:19 PM) 1.) Source? 2.) Even if they are calling him up, is it typical to have a pitcher pulled from his normal starting day (considering side work, routine, regimen, development) hours before the game for a call-up? I don't think that's normal, I don't think it's fair to the pitcher and I don't think it's good for development. Now what if I told you the same thing happened last week? Because it did. Difference is last week the media came out right way and said he would be pitching the next day. Today, the media hasn't said a word about Cease. News broke 4 hours ago that he has been scratched. Why hasn't anyone told the media he's pitching the next day, he is getting promoted, or he has an injury? Seems a little weird to me. The Cubs aren't a stupid organization. Why are they jerking around their best pitching prospect repeatedly? Mark Gonzalez said they were considering promoting him and said he is at his innings total of last year and has limited innings left this season, so skipping a turn isn't that big of a deal.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 04:58 PM) This story has been floating NBA circles a lot today for whatever reason. Basically the gist of it is the Bulls received 3.5 million for a draft pick the same day they signed Jake Burger. The Robert signing also thrown in there. Most NBA people seem to believe it. Seems ridiculous given that Reinsdorf probably doesn't even own more than 50% of the Sox (or the Bulls?) And the transfer of funds is not that simple. The Bulls and White Sox are separate businesses. It was used to buyout Rondo.

I don't think it's much of a big deal, but maybe they have him on Sunday to keep him in the line another team would want.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) Kinda figured it would be that way. Could say the same had they traded Q in December. While I figured some guys would be left, I figured once the traded Sale and Eaton, at least another 1 or 2 would have been gone before the season started. Obviously, expecting 8 or 10 major league trades in a couple of months is a bit much, but I thought it would be at least a little bit quicker.

It's hard to believe this rebuild started with such a bang, and 7 months later we are still awaiting the next trade. Although I think he can be a very useful player, I don't think he is an .800 OPS guy, and I doubt anyone else does either, but the stock will never be higher with Leury Garcia if he can get back soon. No use waiting for a future bench player on the team when it is good again to get more expensive. That's another guy I would be looking to move.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) Swarzak also has no history of being this good, or close to it. That will be the big negative when it comes to him. Duke, at the time, wasn't a rental either. Maybe Swarzak's more than occassional dominance makes up for it. A Tilson-like prospect makes some sense.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) Should be noted today is an off day of sorts for media. For beat writers, They're either traveling or have two consecutive days for the last time until October (other than vacation). Don't most team beat writers get the weekends at home off?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Do we know who it should be if they kept the rotation intact? I'm guessing Miguel Gonzalez.

I used to go to at least 65 games a year so it really was spread out. The last couple of years I have had weekends, and it seems since they got Shields, he's been pitching a lot on weekends. When the both are healthy Shields and/or Gonzo has almost been a lock. And it would be OK, but at least 3 or 4 times the game was over in the 1st or 2nd inning. Makes for an uninteresting game. Last time I saw Shields the game was over in the first. My brother lives in Switzerland and was in town and wanted to go to a game. He told me Thursday or Friday. Shields was pitching Thursday. Thank God he decided Friday. And it was a nice game. 3 in the 9th to beat Texas.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Not sure, but the sample of his starts on 6 or 7 days rest would probably not be statistically significant. I'm just speculating on what I can recall historically with White Sox pitchers and the general routine nature of starting pitchers. Why wouldn't it be significant? If you are saying it's a problem, his actual results would seem a pretty good indicator rather than your recollection , and for his career, he has been just about the same, a slightly better ERA with 6 or more days rest (23 starts), than 4 days rest which would be the typical amount.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:59 AM) Dann it! Lol. I'm going to the game on Friday, my last of the season, and the other one I went to Holland started (lost 10-4). Was really hoping for A to be friday, but I guess I'll have to live with Jimmy Shields. I guess they really are trying to not have Q pitch the 31st or 30th...are they close to making a deal??? It also buys them some more time to trade him before he could hurt himself or his stock, although performance-wise, unless he was just Jon Lester Sunday bad, I don't think a bad start does anything to his value. And I don't think pitching a perfect game makes every prospect available. His track record speaks for itself.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) Just announced. Fri - Shields Sat - Holland Sun - Quintana Praise the lord. I am going Sat and Sunday and avoid Jimmy Shields. I have been to way too many of his starts. Of course, the too many number could be 1 for most. I think I have been to about 6 or 7. The only time he was decent was vs the Cubs last year.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) But the almost three team deal on Christmas Eve wasn't really reported until a few months later right? We have a couple weeks til the deadline still but I trust Rabbit and Dave. I also know not to jump the gun and will wait til a big name says it's close or done. And it wasn't Q. That was sort of taken out of context by many. It was a Hahn quote from Soxfest when someone asked him about trade timing. He said he had something that he thought would be done on Christmas Eve that didn't happen. I'm thinking it's Robertson to the Nats, because a couple of months later Hahn said there hasn't been anything close with Q.

Nightengale has nothing. Rosenthal has nothing. Heyman has nothing. Passan was all over the place, nothing specific. Those guys saying something is close would seem to help the White Sox extract a bigger package. So if something is close, I question the lack of leaks, unless the package is so premium, they would be worried the opposite side would pull out if word leaked out.