Dick Allen

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:47 PM) Speaking of wooing, is Ronnie Woo Woo still around? He lives in a retirement home on LaSalle and Division. I see him around every so often in full Cubs uniform. I haven't seen him in a couple of weeks. He wears a helmet to funerals.

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 06:16 PM) It looked like Buehrle was sitting in the background pretty laid back. Might as well have a guy not on the roster ejected during the weirdest inning ever.

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) Lol is this game still in protest or has that gone away with this 4 run bottom half? If Toronto wins it is off, but it would never be upheld anyway.

I hope they don't throw Geddy out.

Throwing s*** on the field is so ridiculous.

Maybe the weirdest inning I have ever seen

That ball was killt

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 05:48 PM) That was my issue...the ump called time. Horrible that he did but defense never had a fair shot. They would have had no chance anyway.

I think he is arguing just for more time for his reliever

That ball was close to foul.

When I first saw it, I thought the bat was out of the box, but it was clearly in. Andrus had an inning like this against the White Sox.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 04:49 PM) You would think Hoyer doesn't do anything at all if you listen to the media/Cub fans here. I wonder if you went to a Wrigleyville bar next playoff game and asked everyone in the bar who is Jed Hoyer, how many would actually know.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:45 PM) So you want Rick Hahn fired? Noted. Never said that. I just find it odd that there are so many things people would usually consider fire able offenses, and for some reason, the GM is getting a pass, he has nothing to do with it, although when it was thought the team was a contender, it was all him. It will be interesting to see if the Sox make a couple of trades, sign a player or 2, and have a young player actually develop, and they make the playoffs next season, if that will then be all of Rick Hahn's doing. I imagine it will. Although the Sox are set up in the same type of dynamic as the Cubs, although KW doesn't have Theo's title, all the good stuff that happens to the Cubs, no one ever mentions Hoyer. Theo gets praised for everything. I wonder why on the Sox, neither are ignored, but KW is responsible for the bad and RH for the good. It really makes no sense.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:25 PM) Probably because he seems qualified for the job and hasn't proven to be inadequate yet. What would it take for him to be considered inadequate? He's been the GM for the Robin Ventura era, except the season they won 85 games, who supposedly has shown all he is inadequate. Gave him an extension. Signed Jeff Keppinger, Belisario, thought Hector Noesi was a #4 starter, likes Avi Garcia, had Gillaspie and Micah starting on opening day, so apparently doesn't think much of defense. Still seems to think Tyler Flowers is a good idea. Blew $4 million on Bonifacio. Blew $4 million on Scott Downs, spent $25 million on LaRoche, the list goes on and on. What he is, in essence ,is Jay Cutler's back up QB. People are hoping against hope he knows what he is doing without much evidence, except for contract extensions, he does. People hate KW, therefore, like RH, when the reality is they probably agree more than disagree. This is pretty much proven on this website. He was lauded for the moves made last winter. Most thought the Sox were a contending team. When that went by the boards, all these moves Rick was lauded for were the idea of KW.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) The black and white coming from some (DA mostly) here is hilarious. Seriously, the guy got promoted to GM from within. Guess what happens for EVERY executive in ANY field when that happens? They still have to report to the person above them, especially if they moved into their job. The reins are never handed over instantly. The job allows lots of control, but not all. This is reality. Why is that even a question? KW has some control, and Rick works for KW. Rick is the GM and makes a lot of, but not all of, the decisions. And major decisions go through management. This is not complicated, nor does it mean Rick is either a dolt or a master knight of the secret squirrels. He took a job that is a lifetime dream. He took it knowing FULL well who KW is, I am quite sure - specifically, KW is a control freak. Zero chance Hahn didn't know that. He's working into more control. He's young and has time. Which is precisely what I have pointed out. But to think he has nothing to do with what people think are bad decisions is beyond ridiculous. I have never said KW wasn't in charge, in fact, last winter when all were giddy about "Rick's" moves and how different it was from the KW era, I pointed out that the Shark trade, was extremely KW-like, and KW had final say. I also don't think he would turn down requests to interview to be a real GM because he would rather stay with the White Sox and be a fake one, 4and tell everyone how he screwed up when KW made a bad decision. No way. I have changed jobs twice in my life when I knew getting to the next level at my current company wouldn't mean much, that there would be too much interference, and there was an opening at the next level somewhere else, and I'm sure I am not the only one. Hahn is a smart guy, and would have no problem getting another job in baseball if he told KW and JR to go scratch. If he truly was just the spokesman taking blame for lousy seasons, he would be a fool.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) The interesting thing to note in that article I posted is that projection systems have actually been fairly accurate in predicting individual performance (except for our guys apparently), but trying to predict team performance is where things have fallen apart. "It’s a long-held saying that baseball’s playoffs are a crapshoot, but the unexpectedly great performances of teams like Kansas City this year might indicate the regular season is headed in that direction, too." Too many variables with the team. I think one of the years Boston came in last place, they led the league in cumulative WAR.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Hey, you're preaching to the choir, but taking a poll at Soxtalk isn't much more accurate. Actually, the guess the record has been fairly accurate most seasons. This year it was off, but back to PECOTA, the teams they had making the playoffs, one finished in 3rd place in their division, 2 finished 4th, and 2 finished 5th. I don't think BP will be touting those numbers anytime soon. You would think if you had to pick 1 team in 5 that would make the playoffs, it wouldn't be that difficult. They couldn't even pick one that finished in second place. I think they need to go back to the drawing board.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) this place makes my head spin. I can't keep all the stat proponents and detractors straight. whatever supports their argument I guess. Just so you know, none of the 5 teams in the AL who made the playoff were projected to make the playoffs under PECOTA; TOR 80-82 NYY 79-83 KC 73-89 TEX 79-83 HOU 77-85 BOS and DET and LAA were projected to win with TB and SEA projecting enough for the WC.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 02:44 PM) Also had us scoring 81 more runs than we did, our record might look similar to what they predicted but the path we took to get there was very different, pretty much no one on the offensive end sans Eaton lived up to their projections. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-201...ections-failed/ But according to this article projection systems have been getting steadily worse over the years. Yes, I saw something about that last spring. They were getting better, then fell off a cliff. I think it was 2014 where if you predicted everyone to finish 81-81, you would have been more accurate than one of fangraphs or PECOTA. I wouldn't concern myself too much with those projections. For fun they are fine, but to take seriously, IMO too many things happen that cannot be anticipated or built in to a model. For individuals, sure, but not for teams.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 02:31 PM) Having an interview is different than being handed a GM job on a silver platter. He's a Chicago native, been living here forever, he knows the owner is super loyal to a fault, so the job is his no questions asked. Why risk that to MAYBE get a job somewhere else? Even if that job wields more power, you gotta take the sure thing when offered to you. How many GM jobs even open up every year? That's why I don't question why he might take a job under KW & JR calling the shots. So why isn't Hahn ripped for being a loyalty hire?

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) Not a huge fan of PECOTA but I think they had them at 78 wins. Didn't they have the Royals at about 72? One of them did.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) the missing ingredient in this equation is that the Cubs addressed their suckage…as did the Bears.. as did the BlackHawks… the White Sox? they will continue to ride 2005…it's an embarrassment…. There can't be a franchise is sports that is more out of touch with it's fan base than the White Sox… Ive gotten a good half dozen mass marketing emails from the Sox pimping their party suites, or this and that.. and I always respond with.. "you guys figure out a way to put a better product on the field and I'll be happy to come to park and spend my money" ..their response? more generic marketing emails… The entire franchise needs to be re invented.. that's the only hope of the Sox maintaining any relevancy in this town….in reality the chances of that are slim to none.. intstead, Reinsdorf and his band of crusty old investors will try to trot out the same old same old with Kenny Williams and Hahn tap dancing their way into spinning positive in the media with some psycho babble about this or that convoluted plan… Bottom line..Going back now to the end of 2012.. things have not worked out.. and the Sox have no answers.. do they really believe that surrounding Abreu and Sale with a cavalcade of scrubs is gonna bring people to the park…? They did sell more tickets than last season, and an overwhelming majority of posters here thought the moves they made last winter made them a contender if you look at the prediction thread.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) Quite frankly, I don't know what or who to believe in the Sox organization. What I'm saying is Hahn has to say things as part of his job to cover decisions that are made either by him or above him. Bottom line, it's a bad organization right now with an owner that is no longer capable of making good baseball decisions or hiring people that are allowed to make good baseball decisions. By the way, I'm done interacting with you since all you and that other guy do is pick at what other people say. So say what you want...you'll get the last word. It is funny you take your ball and run when you complain about picking at what someone says when you were the one who wrote what I wrote was horses***. LMAO. Rick Hahn does nothing wrong. Free Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) Except TBS's plotting was also quite bad. Pitch F/X shows the true story, aside from a few strikes called balls and an extended plate inside to LHH (very common) Mark Carlson was very good yesterday. Nothing there that jumps out at you. The Grimm V Pham AB is the one that really stuck out as bad on the TBS strikezone, there were back to back pitches that showed in identical locations one called a ball the other called a strike. Here's the pitch F/X plot for that AB. It shows the called strike just catching the zone and the called ball missing the zone. If the plotting is wrong, than that is another story.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 14, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) Parent got let go because his contract was up, but I believe Reinsdorf doesn't want to pay for two managers and sets of coaches. We'll see how much changes in June if the Sox are out of it. Like I said, I choose to believe Hahn would have made more coaching staff changes if he had the choice. Complete speculation on my part because I think he's smart. Not hero worship. Far from it. Just think his hands are tied. I'm sure you disagree, so say more horses***... No, horses*** is what you throw out there. Rick would have cleaned house. That is based on nothing. Rick gave Robin an extension. But of course, you know for sure he really didn't want to, but was forced to. Failing to see how Rick Hahn bears anything but zero responsibility for a failed season is about as naïve as one can be. Here is Rick taking the blame for signing Jeff Keppinger, and praising JR for eating the contract. If it really was JR or KW who thought Keppinger should be signed, pretty pathetic Rick would take the blame while praising JR for eating money. http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ger-future-mind