Dick Allen

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) Frazier, and his OPS There have got to be some young 3B in the upper levels that we can get for a reasonable price. just do proper scouting and evaluation this time. As for C, Pirates got their C for a bullpen pitcher. Astros got Conger for a bullpen pitcher. He basically sucks, but he sucks less than Flowers. The Sox awful OF defense hurt Samardizja, a fly ball pitcher, more than anyone. Now why the Sox were so hell bent on trading for a fly ball pitcher is another question. If you catch the ball in the bleachers it is still a home run. Samrdzija was terrible.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 02:06 PM) Too bad there will again only be about 8000 fans there and 6000 of em Royals fans. That just isn't correct. We have been told by an attendance expert that the White Sox and Cubs have just as many local fans, and that the out of town fans at USCF is virtualy zero.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 04:03 PM) Not sure. But I bet those "adults" knew how to read an Internet post before asking for a survey link http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/221895703424 That isn't a toy. Have fun playing with your toys.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) On the bright side, if Rose gets one more punch on his frequent buyer card, he gets his next surgery free. NBCSN Verified account ‏@NBCSN 16m16 minutes ago Derrick Rose’s surgery successful, he may return for opening night: http://tw.nbcsports.com/Ahc Opening night this season or next? He does need to get paid. He has a son who may be going to college. I am pretty sure DRose may be the dumbest person to ever play with the Bulls. I wish BJ, his agent would get in his face and tell him to shut up, but aparently the is a Reggie Rose production.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 02:04 PM) Would love to not watch Claussen again. Unless they get a turnover deep in opponent territory, I don't see how they can score with Claussen. Fales must be just awful.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Sep 30, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) I wonder how many people getting this item will be "kids". After all, it's for the first 10k fans. I wonder how many kids won't get them because of "adults" hoarding toys.

Allen asked to be traded and was asked to provide a list of 4 teams.

In ever other White Sox relevancy thread,I read the Sox can't be relevant unless they start making the playoffs every year, and am constantly told t is what fans are owed. They shouldn't be expected to support simply good teams, they need a consistent winner. How would McDonough accomplish that? He is a marketing guy.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 12:27 AM) The argument I'm making isn't is he worth his contract. He is, and I'm happy with him as an individual player. At the same time, the overall hitting on this team sucks. He's been playing CF and pretty good at it. I think he's peaked, you maybe don't. I'd trade him unless the Sox plan on bringing in a lot more legitimate players with him which it doesn't sound like they plan on doing. You trade him for a position of need. That's what you do in all trades. Seriously, you trade something to get something. I would love to trade Danks and turn him into Trout, but that ain't happening. Instead, you can trade Eaton for someone in the infield (hell, you need all positions but one). That's just one idea. His defense has gone down. His average and OBP have gone down. He k's more. You have more or less seen the best of him. Not saying his peak won't last longer than a year or 3. I'm just saying I don't think he's going to improve dramatically anywhere. I don't think people understand his OBP is down a whopping .006 from last season. Another sign he needs to go.

The Pirates only had 20 losing seasons in a row. That is who a rebuild should be modeled. Trading Eaton fro a couple of prospects, because he supposedly is not as good as his numbers, and building around Trayce Thompson because he clearly is, is a great way to start.

They almost became teammates. The Yankees waived him at the end of 1990, and the Sox claimed him, but he had the right to refuse the claim.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) One team has done that in a relatively short period of time. That team also has a loyal fan base that allowed them to sign a $150 million pitcher to anchor the front of the rotation during that rebuild, so even them being included in the scorched earth part gets a little more questionable. Ours would look more like the Pirates and KC versions where we have to hope that one year finally everything comes together all at once and then hope the fans come back so we can keep the team together. Not only that, they had a team pass on Bryant, Samardzija turn down their offer for an extension, and got a Cy Young award guy out of nowhere for nothing. So huge breaks get them the second WC. The second WC in the AL is currently 7 games over 500. If that is what it takes for "sustained success", the White Sox have finished over 7 games over 5 times in the worst GM in the world's tenure. Other than that, it is prolonged losing. Maybe I am missing something, but during the last 3 years even when the Sox were in rebuilding mode, the gamethreads were full of whining about how bad so and so is.

Eaton .332/.414/.478 since the All Star break, yet "Robbie" continues to play him. Just another sign of incompetence.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) No contradiction. He's a "keeper" in the sense that he's a decent baseball player. I hope the Sox trade him because he's not as good as his numbers, he'd return value and you can't build a team trading prospects only. Trayce Thompson is a building block and should be our CF next year. But Robbie boy keeps wheeling out Melky, Alexei and Eaton day after day after day. Wow. Trayce Thompson has played the last 23 games he was healthy enough to play. But let's b**** about Robin and disregard any and all facts.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) Dick: And it's a fact McDowell and Fernandez were tipping their pitches according to Cito Gaston. They lost all four games in 93. Those guys were to good for that to happen without some help. And the Sox brain trust apparently never picked up on it. And also just to clue you in, Jack was just as hard on himself for his failures as he was to blame others. And to be clear one final time Dick, I rip loyalty when it impacts and interferes with the ultimate goal...winning baseball games, winning championships. A blind man can see that loyalty is so highly regarding by this organization that it's handicapping the franchise badly. Why do you think Ventura's returning? Because he's a great manager? LOL. But feel free to think otherwise, in five years time the Sox will be selling 'hope' to the masses because that's the only excuse they'll have left. Mark LMAO. You quote a guy saying the team doesn't win because everyone sucks, and that guy gets clobbered twice in a 4 game series, and there is an excuse, he was tipping his pitches. He must have been tipping them his other 2 playoff appearances with the Yankees as well. I wonder why he was tipping during the regular season. Don't quote Jack McDowell blaming everyone else for lack of playoff success. He is a guy who needs to look in the mirror. And you already have written off the next 5 years. Brilliant. It must be miserable at your house.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 07:42 PM) I very very much disagree that this is what I said "doesn't work". The Jose Abreu signing was high risk but it was potentially high reward. There was a solid chance Abreu could massively overperform his deal. He was at a discount relative to "potential performance" due to not being an experienced U.S. big leaguer. He still might underperform that deal in the long run with injury, btw. Compare that to Adam LaRoche, David Robertson, and Melky Cabrera though, there was nothing in their records that said "this guy could solidly overperform their deals". Melky Cabrera put up 2.5 fWAR last year and outside of steroids you'd think that's about as well as he could do - he was paid for about 2 fWAR, so virtually no upside. David Robertson is paid a premium as a closer - he might match that deal but it's almost impossible for a closer to outperform a $10 million/year deal. Adam LaRoche has 1 career season where he was worth >2.2 fWAR and that was while playing 1b, not DH, making him need to hit 50 home runs or something insane like that as a DH to substantially outperform his deal. Throw in Duke for money as a reliever and Samardzija for 4 big-league-caliber players and you've got the exact same mistakes. Jose Abreu had potential substantial value above his deal. Not one of those guys was likely to overperform their deals by much. If they put up their numbers from their best seasons you'd say they were a tiny sliver underpaid. I'm willing to gamble if there's a chance to win. I'm not willing to gamble if the best I can do is break even. Until we figure out that lesson, we should continue being ready for our free agent signings to underperform, because we're paying a big premium price for them. That is funny. You don't think signing a guy to one of the biggest contracts in team history who has never played a major league game isn't a huge risk, but Players with track records are. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 06:20 PM) They signed a guy that was exempt from the international signing bonus penalties due to 5+ years of playing in a professional league. A bold free agent signing. A guy who had never played in the major leagues. The exact kind of signing you said doesn't work.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 05:54 PM) Not at all, they should blow their funds on Martinez.....but probably won't. It's that simple. The opposite would be to outbid a highly sought after talent and go over our budget which (as the linked I posted above suggests) they don't do. How did they get Abreu?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) True, Rodon will be an outstanding pitcher. One who can make an impact every five days. My original statement stands, where is the Sox Kris Bryant an everyday player with that kind of impact ready to come up from the minor leagues? Mark He was the 2nd pick and not available for any team other than Houston and the Cubs. The Sox had the ROY last year. Abreu is their Bryant. Everyone could have had him.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 05:44 PM) I actually meant it in exactly the context I posted with, the White Sox are not actively drafting internationally compared to the league. The move we expect is for them to NOT be the highest bidder for this player. http://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...al-prospects-2/ You also said the White Sox should blow their bonus funds on Martinez, and they have worked him out several times. So the opposite would be no interest. Sort of contradict yourself there.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:34 PM) I get why people are unhappy with many of the decisions ownership and the FO have made, but the way a few posters here act like the White Sox never do anything right (or even rarely) is pretty ridiculous. Not only that but every other team is stacked beyond belief. Olt was the Cubs best option behind Bryant, that apparently is irrelevant, but who is playing if Bryant struggle to gets hurt? A guy many people on here are upset takes AB s away from Saladino.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:22 PM) I think Bulls see higher turnover in their season tickets than the other major tickets in town (probably better than the sox though I tried to get them in 2011 and could have right away. Can't do that with Bears/Hawks They haven't contacted me in 15 years. I had tickets through the Jordan era and that one awful season. That was it. I am on the Bears waiting list and picked up about 1500 spots last year. I am 2 or 3 years away from pay dirt, just about the time they should be good again. You can still get Bears tickets on Ticketmaster on Fridays. Usually low rows in the 300 and 400 level close to midfield. Bulls tickets will set you back a ton.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) We're devoid of impact offensive players, if it meant blowing through our alloted money for one player who's a physical specimen......I'd do it in an instant. Just ask yourself what would the White Sox do.....and think the opposite. It'll be the correct move I would love to have the Abreu money back. Signing Q and Sale to extensions, laughable. Drafting Rodon... You are right just do the opposite they will be so much better.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:02 PM) Omar: I agree with you... the problem is going back to the 50's the Sox are always "close" but never get it done. Something always jumps up and bites them in the ass. Again I can only restate history, they are the only one of the original 16 pre expansion franchises to have never made the playoffs in consecutive seasons. We're talking 115 years. Even the clownish Cubs have been able to pull that one off. What does that say about the Sox? Or do you (not necessarily you personally) start believing in "curses..." LOL. Like Jack McDowell told me once the Sox haven't won more often because they've had "bad players, bad managers and bad general managers." Hard to argue with his remarks. And it also says something when the brain-dead Marlins have won more World Series in their history than the Sox got to the World Series between 1919 and 2005. Mark Maybe if Black Jack would have showed up in the playoffs things would have been different. It is funny how you rip loyalty but are loyal to any White Sox employee who speaks to you, and you totally disregard their failures. 1993 playoffs 0-2 10.00 ERA. Yeah Jack not your fault. Also when the Cubs made it to 2 in a row earlier this decade, the White Soc actually won more playoff games these years.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 24, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) No? Then explain the league's worst offense, near-worst defense, the mediocre at-best pitching (overall), the horrific baserunning, etc. That takes more than just "clunkers" and "holes" here and there to accomplish that. I mean, c'mon - don't put lipstick on this pig! There are a few bright spots on this team, to be sure, but the fact of the matter is, the talent level isn't as good as you suggest. Not at the moment it's not. Why aren't they on a pace to lose 100 games. Give up your fandom like you threatened earlier in the year. Go to the Cubbies. Enjoy.