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QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 12:14 PM) I briefly thought this was about Art Buchwald.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) Well, that's a different story... and really isn't applicable to the airline/airport security. I generally agree with you, although I wouldn't mind the wiretapping if there were some SERIOUS legal restrictions regarding how the information could be used. It is applicable in an abstract way. How does our society change if we allow invasive searches to get on an airplane (for example). We are accepting that we can not have the freedoms our parents had. I don't see any turning back. We can't eliminate terrorism. Our freedoms are not just about the government and what they can do, but also about what we will allow each other to do. It doesn't matter of the government can't search your person 24/7 if we allow employers, airlines, buses, retail stores, etc. to make the same searches.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 12:05 PM) SLACKER! It's almost to that "I need to suspend myself moment"

damn great discussion, but I have to leave. Threads lke this are why I enjoy the buster.

QUOTE(Felix @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 11:51 AM) Iguchi's play was good, but unnecessary. He could have fallen down, gotten up, tied his shoe, and still thrown out Molina at first. Watch the replay. He didn't have that much time. He had time, but not that much. And from his angle, he couldn't have known he had that much time. Thanks Cheat. Here's a link. http://www.southsidesox.com/story/2006/4/15/181943/580

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 11:51 AM) I guess this means that Isreal is getting ready to kick some serious ass, huh? Get freakin' real, people. I thought I was a conspiracy nut... guess not. Timing is everything. At some point, someone in the chain of command is going to, for example, pick 9/11 as the date. I don't believe the timing is random. Do you?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) That doesn't mean that they couldn't have ordered it to spin up now in response to that mess. Exactly. I can believe they are wating for a perfect opportunity before some attacks. Whether an Anniversary date, in response to American agression, real or not.

To dismiss Guchi's play as luck would mean that any of use could also get "lucky" and make that same play. The luck was the ball was hit in the most perfect position to give him an opportunity for a "web gem". Not every infielder could have made that play. Hell, he couldn't make that play 99 times out of a 100. There may be better web gems, but I'd be careful labeling anyone "lucky".

QUOTE(WCSox @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 11:07 AM) I'd rather "fold like a wimp" than allow terrorist to kill hundreds or thousands of Americans because a small sect of people believe that having their cell phone in their carry-on bag is their Constitutional "right." You can't have it both ways. In the case of airline security, I'll happily accept new restrictions if it means that more lives are saved. I was thinking more along the lines of search and seizure, probable cause, wiretapping, due process, freedom of speech, stuff like that. The "if you have nothing to hide, why would you want that freedom" stuff.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:50 AM) I love the in-depth, highly detailed replies and point-by-point refutations I'm getting today. Anyway, here's a summary of an FBI report on the actual psychological state of the 2 kids involved in Columbine. If we're going to bring that mess up, I think it's important. With all due respect, any point-counterpoint on a subject this complex, in this type of forum, would be a mile wide and an inch deep. This is far to complex a subject to do anything beyond skimming. America is a far more violent society than a generation or two ago. Our kids see way more real violence, with real actors, than before. They see violence "solving" problems daily on TV. When they can not solve a problem though other means, they go with what they learned. Possibly not specific to Columbine, but I believe YASNY is correct, but not allowing kids to suffer small defeats and make mistakes, they are unprepared for the bigger problems that will happen in life.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:52 AM) Not a chance. People have the "I'm not hurting anything with my ...." mentality, and they won't stand for a 4 hour wait to get through security like there is in Israel. If American said we have a 4 hour wait, and United said they could get you on a plane in 30 minutes, American would be in bankruptcy before you can blink. What if American's wait was also 30 minutes because you couldn't carry anything on, you had to wear AA slippers, and all coats would be sealed in a container before boarding the plane? 100% searches?No belts, no hats, etc? I agree if the wait was longer, they would be toast, but I wonder how restricted we would accept.

Without those freedoms, we're just another country. Our military fought to give us those freedoms, and now we want to fold them lke a bunch of wimps. I hate the "we have to give up our freedoms to save our freedoms" situation. I don't believe a laptop is any safer in the cargo hold as it is as carry on. Same for much of this stuff.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:40 AM) It's all about the "worst news possible" sells. That's the agenda. agreed.

QUOTE(WinningUgly85 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:31 AM) why are we making freddy think hes walking out the door. I don't see this as a good thing. Freddy might not be playing wellbecause of this. Good point. I think we place too much value on some of this stuff, but in this case you could be right. Didn't Colon have the same problem? But, if winning another WS in our lifetimes is a goal, isn't there room in the rotation for one "Big Game" guy? I'd love to have him in Rocktober . . .

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:33 AM) If you want to see "restrictions" read up on what it takes to get onto a plane in Tel Aviv. American's have it incredibly easy. Agreed. We also have the "I can kick the f***ing s*** out of you and your entire country so bring it on" mentality. This could be the next battle with the airlines. I wonder if one airline would have the balls to be the most restrictive and try to compete on that basis. Huge gamble, but it could really grab market share if it worked. I don't think it would, but who knows.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 09:03 AM) In a wierd way, right now might be the safest time to fly for Deploderer. Help me out here. I don't know much about liquid explosives. but part of what I read mentioned that liquids, such as hair gel, hair sprays, perfumes, etc will be banned from carry on luggage. Why did it take so long for someone to realize this? I don't think it took long because of not knowing the potential problems, but in conditioning the public to accept these restrictions. I see the clear plastic bag as the next step. If we went from almost no restrictions to barefoot in airport issued pjs with three items in a plastic bag, there would have been some blow back. Do it gradually and we'll accept it. After all, if riding half naked on the plane saves one life and stops the terrorists from taking over our lives . . .

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 10:09 AM) No way. They are too homophobic. Like the military, don't ask, don't tell.

I love Google

There has to ba an Oscar Gamble from 1977, I just want to see the hair again. Fisk Iguchi Uribe A little too heavy possibly on current stuff, but these things usually are.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 07:40 AM) Who cares? This story (and offshoots of it) is/(are) getting old. So there's an agenda. Surpirsed? I think not. Who sets the agenda and how? More likely scenario, there is competition among freelancers to sell photos. If the papers do not buy, you don't make any money. So they create a photo that will sell. The newspaper buys it, expecting it to be accurate, and they get duped. I know that worldwide conspiracy theories are way more fun, but I just can't take that leap of faith that all teh worlds newspapers are getting together to elect Presidents and publish lies.

May I make a plug for Scouting? The program builds on learning moments and allows kids to fail along the way. But out of site of screaming parents (Little League).

Since it applies to both, there are many times, as I watch these conflicts without end, I would fit that label. Not in a racist way, but in a "I want to stick this boot up your ass and straighten you out" sort of way. I have love and respect for both sides, and wonder if there will ever be a peaceful happiness in that region in my lifetime. I don't believe so.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2006 -> 09:50 AM) Who is Art, and how does he get people to get naked for him? Duh, only people named art can be naked in the picture, that's what makes it challenging. Show of hands, who thinks this is the greatest artistic con ever and wish they thought of it first?

LOL, it took a couple time but I saw her kind of in the middle.