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1549 in the thread about the 92 year old man that had been bite over 200 times by snakes

Defered is compensation that is paid down the road. Just because, for example, Maggs signs for say 5/75 means all the money is paid in 5 years. He may be getting paid over 10 years. It is not uncommon and a tough thing to negotiate. You may recall part of the A-Rod to Boston problem was the value of the defered money. If it is interest free, the player loses the inflation rate, plus any interest. If the team is going to pay interest, some index must be used (Prime rate for example). Basically the player is offering a loan to the team. Sometimes you will see this in a team's annual payroll. A player who is gone is still getting paid. In the NFL the Cowboys loved this. Baseball doesn't do it as much because there is no cap.

The only issue I have with Kruk's argument is why should anybody settle for less money then they can get? Do you think Kruk told ESPN, hey I've never done this before. Give me $25,000 for the first year and we'll talk?

I'll bet Dahlmer's mom loved him

It was sooo cool when Jim showed me. Previous owners had built a wall which blocked the bookcase from moving. It was impossible to see the rails built into the ceiling. When they were doing some remoldling, they were running some wires for an extra phone and got blocked by something. A little research reveiled the steel supports. They actually called the police to come, they thought it might be some torture chamber, dead bodies, maybe a still. But, alas, like Al Capone's vault, nada.

That was about my first memories of watching the games on TV. I would read about them but didn't know we could watch the games on TV. I was living in Des Plaines and was at neighbors for dinner. They had a small B&W set with aluminum foil wrapped around the rabbit ears and trying to watch the game between the snow. I thought baseball was only played during the day on WGN. Anyone else here remember the first night game at Wrigley?

I think I am understanding where you're coming from. Would you also agree then if Maggs was our only star player like (I-Rod and his $10 mil out of $48) it would make a little more sense? I'm asking because it sounds like you would have never signed Belle, never gave Frank his contract, and not Maggs. Because if it was ok to sign Maggs to $14 million for this season on this contract based on a future higher payroll, it would certainly make sense to sign him again on the same basis. Like Brando supposing a possible $80 million payroll. Would deferal money make any difference? You know some of the money could be spread for years and years if Maggs and the team can agree on terms. Interest rates paid on the defered money is usually the sticking point.

Come on, at some point it became fun for the masochist And they all bit me in the groin

Wilbur, my favorite Sox pitcher from the 70s and AFAIK the only to inspire a poem BTW, he had 20 or more CG 4 years in a row. He also pitched both ends of a double header.

I hope they received a big government contract for research in that area. They are missing the "S" factor. Everybody, but guys especially, will laugh at a bad joke if it will lead to sex with someone they think is sexy.

Sorry, I am confused. Are you saying Maggs is worth 5/70 which BTW is a zero increase from this year, but only if the payroll expands? Which is different from what others who have been saying that Maggs isn't worth it based on his stats. As for drawing fans, I assume the theory is going to be winning draws fans. If you were Maggs making $14 this year would you expect an increase on your next contract? Would you accept a contract that went 14,14,14,14,14?

Just thinking about a what if. We would be the largest solo market. Would we be Boston and an over $100 million payroll. I guess the flip side if would the Sox have a higher payroll in Vegas?

Which brings up the point. What span is necessary to be the best? If a player sandwiches 12 great season between 6 absolute horses*** seasons and someone else only has the 12 in the middle, is the first player better for playing longer and racking up a few wins same worse for killing his era, win percentage, etc? How about a player whose the greatest for 5 or 6 years, then (for example)commits a vicous rape and has his career ended by jail time? How about the Ted Williams' whose careers are cut short by serving our country? Career numbers are interesting.

Maybe I have more than one teacher back BTW, I just noticed I've cozied up next to Steff.

If I had my choice of two bosses, one said we need to increase spending, buy more stuff, hire more people, etc. and another that said we probably cannot afford it and it isn't needed, I wonder which one I would want?

With only one team, Chicago would be a major market, similar to Boston, if not bigger. How do we get the Cubs to move? And take Wortz with them

Sorry, Brando like I said, I've been hearing so many different theories, I've lost track. I'm not certain where the $80 million comes from, but that would change things. I certainly think that's a resonable number if the SOx want to stay relevent in the market. I thought we've been discusssing a $60 million dollar payroll and 5/75. Brando, so you would disagree with 406, who claims you cannot pay a player 20-25% of your payroll? I agree with you. I also assume the 406 and everyone realizes that in almost all of these contracts there is defered money, it all isn't paid in the year. If I am understanding correctly, Some argue that 20% is too much regardless of performance to pay one player. Vlad is the gold standard. His is the most accurate contract, not too high, not too low. Brando, you mention that Ivan was the missing piece for the Marlins, what do you think the missing piece is here? So the trick is finding a bunch of Uribe and Harris type players, maybe saving some money and swapping a few prospects for a rent a player?

I cannot remember who said what. I thought you said that it is crazy to tie up 25% of your payroll with one player.

But those guys would eat up more than 15 or 20% of the total. Everyone is pointing to the Marlins, how did I-Rods $10 million contract fit in? The Marlins total was $48 million.

Again, just trying to follow. Maggs would be out, regardless of performance? You would set a top limit of say $8 million, any player who can't be signed for that or less would be gone. Likewise, you would not have signed Maggs to his current contract, or Frank when he and Belle made half the payroll.

It is so hard to compare eras in baseball. We've been blessed with many great ones the past few decades. I've always said Ryan was the best I saw. Some can argue his longevity adds to his greatness, or merely pads his stats.

I think we, as Americans, have a very warped view of what life in Russia was/is like. We always saw images of long lines for toilet paper, boring military parades, and crowded apartments. Of course that was in between our duck and cover drills when Russia dropped an A-Bomb on us. My neighbor had a bomb shelter at their house. They discovered it my accident after they bought the house from an estate. You could access it from a moving bookcase. Way, way cool. There was some old manual of how to survive the A-Bomb.