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Very nice analysis Brando.

"Hey Bob, who did you go with on the Reyosa project?" " I went with Jugghead" "What's it going to cost you?" "I don't know really. I really respect the fact with Jugghead, if we get in the middle of the contract and they think it's unfair, they'll use leverage to get me to change. I could never deal with a company who actually follows through with a contract and whose signature is their bond. That's medieval." "Why does Jughead sign contracts if they aren't going to live up to them?" "Well we know they really aren't worth the paper they're printed on. See, in a business relationship with a 3 BILLION dollar deal. If we have to enforce something through a contract, well that's just not a good relationship. You don't understand good faith" Juggs World Juggs World. I think Juggs aso does a cable show from his basement

Now your signature on a contract has dipped below that of a promise. :headshake How is picking one of those companies so we can look at their annual report and seeing the 3 BILLION dollar increase in revenues going to open them up to a possible terrorist attack? You do know that corporate annual reports are public information? Most companies that have helped someone to a 3 BILLION dollar increase in revenues would be advertising that. That is huge. Maybe you meant to say 3 gazillion million dollars? Terrorism? Wait, maybe that's why we cannot find the Maggs article, Homeland Security has purged the records. Pretty sneaky. Too bad it makes you look like a liar. You mentioned the Fortune 100 company who you increased revenues by 3 BILLION dollars. Now it isn't relevant? What when you realized you prbably should have lied a little lower? In Juggs World, which would be a great name for a strip bar, and a fitting tribute to his ethics. JR should lock Koch out and use leverage to renegotiate his contrat -- which he will need to do because -- Shingo and Uribe should be whining, and holding out for fair contracts. Juggs, I've ony entered into 500 or 600 contracts, and sadly never with a Fortune Magazine 100 by revenues. Fortune has a few other lists as well that my cients have appeared on. But I'm not using that experience to bolster my argument. Company A has entered into contracts with Company 1 and Company 2. Company Tex has fulfilled each contract to the letter without any problems. Company Jughead, when they deemed the contract to be unfair, used leverage (I love how you said that, nice attempt at very grown up business-like terms whenever they deemed the contract to be unfair. You said Campany A respects Company Jughead for that. That is wrong. They do not respect the fact that they have to return to something they thought was a done deal and renegotiate. When companies negotiate contracts, taking the time to commit all this to writing, they do not want to go through the negotiation process again. That's the point of a contact. It clearly spells out what both parties have agreed to do. When a new contract is being negotiated, Company Tex is in a far better position than Company Jughead. Jughead, I will give you this. With the current Sox announced payroll for 2004 and assuming no increase for 2005, keeping two star players again is possibly out of the question. So Frank gets the nod ahead of Maggs. I think somoeone who plays the field as well as hits, is more valuable, I also respect Franks contributions to the organization and believe he should be signed. So Maggs moves on.

Here's the Fortune 100 if you need some help List of the Fortune 500 NEW YORK (AP) — The Fortune 500 ranking of the nation's largest companies compiled by Fortune magazine on the basis of 2003 revenue. Each entry includes rank, name of company, headquarters, last year's rank and 2003 revenue in billions of dollars. 1. Wal-Mart Stores Inc., Bentonville, Ark., 1, $258.681 2. Exxon Mobil Corp., Irving, Texas, 3, $213.199 3. General Motors Corp., Detroit, 2, $195.645 4. Ford Motor Co., Dearborn, Mich., 4, $164.496 5. General Electric Co., Fairfield, Conn., 5, $134.187 6. ChevronTexaco Corp., San Ramon, Calif., 7, $112.937 7. ConocoPhillips, Houston, 12, $99.468 8. Citigroup Inc., New York, 6, $94.713 9. International Business Machines Corp., Armonk, N.Y., 8, $89.131 10. American International Group, Inc., New York, 9, $81.300 11. Hewlett-Packard Co., Palo Alto, Calif., 14, $73.061 12. Verizon Communications Inc., New York, 10, $67.752 13. The Home Depot Inc., Atlanta, 13, $64.816 14. Berkshire Hathaway Inc., Omaha, 28, $63.859 15. Altria Group Inc., New York, 11, $60.704 16. McKesson Corp., San Francisco, 20, $57.129 17. Cardinal Health Inc., Dublin, Ohio, 19, $56.830 18. State Farm Insurance Cos., Bloomington, Ill., 21, $56.065 19. The Kroger Co., Cincinnati, 18, $53.791 20. Fannie Mae, Washington, D.C., 16, $53.767 21. The Boeing Co., Chicago, 15, $50.485 22. AmerisourceBergen Corp., Chesterbrook, Pa., 24, $49.657 23. Target Corp., Minneapolis, 25, $48.163 24. Bank of America Corp., Charlotte, N.C., 23, $48.065 25. Pfizer Inc., New York, 37, $45.950 26. J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., New York, 26, $44.363 27. Time Warner Inc., New York, 29, $43.877 28. The Procter & Gamble Co., Cincinnati, 31, $43.377 29. Costco Wholesale Corp., Issaquah, Wash., 33, $42.546 30. Johnson & Johnson, New Brunswick, N.J., 34, $41.862 31. Dell Inc., Round Rock, Texas, 36, $41.444 32. Sears Roebuck and Co., Hoffman Estates, Ill., 30, $41.124 33. SBC Communications Inc., San Antonio, 27, $40.843 34. Valero Energy Corp, San Antonio, 55, $37.969 35. Marathon Oil Corp., Houston, 52, $37.137 36. MetLife Inc., New York, 38, $36.261 37. Safeway Inc., Pleasanton, Calif., 41, $35.553 38. Albertson's Inc., Boise, 35, $35.436 39. Morgan Stanley, New York, 40, $34.933 40. AT&T, Bedminster, N.J., 22, $34.529 41. Medco Health Solutions, Franklin Lakes, N.J., new to list, $34.265 42. United Parcel Service Inc., Atlanta, 43, $33.485 43. J.C. Penney Co. Inc., Plano, Texas, 42, $32.923 44. The Dow Chemical Co., Midland, Mich., 51, $32.632 45. Walgreen Co., Deerfield, Ill., 45, $32.505 46. Microsoft Corp., Redmond, Wash., 47, $32.187 47. The Allstate Corp., Northbrook, Ill., 44, $32.149 48. Lockheed Martin Corp., Bethesda, Md., 56, $31.844 49. Wells Fargo & Co., San Francisco, 46, $31.800 50. Lowe's Cos. Inc., Mooresville, N.C., 60, $31.263 51. United Technologies Corp., Hartford, Conn., 49, $31.034 52. Archer-Daniels-Midland Co., Decatur, Ill., 71, $30.708 53. Intel Corp., Santa Clara, Calif., 58, $30.141 54. UnitedHealth Group Inc., Minnetonka, Minn., 63, $28.823 55. Northrop Grumman Corp., Los Angeles, 99, $28.686 56. Delphi Corp., Troy, Mich., 53, $28.096 57. Prudential Financial Inc., Newark, N.J., 57, $27.907 58. Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc., New York, 48, $27.745 59. E.I. du Pont de Nemours, Wilmington, Del., 67, $27.730 60. The Walt Disney Co., Burbank, Calif., 61, $27.061 61. Motorola Inc., Schaumburg, Ill., 59, $27.058 62. PepsiCo Inc., Purchase, N.Y., 62, $26.971 63. CVS Corp., Woonsocket, R.I., 68, $26.588 64. Viacom Inc., New York, 66, $26.585 65. Sprint Corp., Overland Park, Kan., 54, $26.202 66. Sysco Corp., Houston, 73, $26.140 67. Kmart Holding Corp., Troy, Mich., 39, $26.032 68. TIAA-CREF, New York, 89, $26.016 69. American Express Co., New York, 69, $25.866 70. New York Life Insurance Co., New York, 65, $25.700 71. International Paper Co., Stamford, Conn., 64, $25.200 72. Tyson Foods Inc., Springdale, Ark., 72, $24.549 73. Wachovia Corp., Charlotte, N.C., 70, $24.474 74. Goldman Sachs Group Inc., New York, 75, $23.623 75. Duke Energy, Charlotte, N.C., 118, $23.483 76. Honeywell International Inc., Morristown, N.J., 78, $23.103 77. Caterpillar Inc., Peoria, Ill., 85, $22.763 78. Best Buy Co. Inc., Richfield, Minn., 91, $22.673 79. Johnson Controls Inc., Milwaukee, 86, $22.646 80. BellSouth Corp., Atlanta, 77, $22.635 81. Ingram Micro Inc., Santa Ana, Calif., 76, $22.613 82. FedEx Corp., Memphis, 83, $22.487 83. Merck & Co. Inc., Whitehouse Station, N.J., 17, $22.486 84. ConAgra Foods Inc. Omaha, 50, $22.053 85. HCA Inc, Nashville, 90, $21.808 86. Alcoa Inc., Pittsburgh, 82, $21.728 87. Electronic Data Systems, Plano, Texas, 80, $21.596 88. Bank One Corp., Chicago, 79, $21.454 89. Comcast Corp., Philadelphia, 157, $21.263 90. Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance Co., Springfield, Mass., 84, $21.076 91. The Coca-Cola Co., Atlanta, 92, $21.044 92. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co., New York, 98, $20.671 93. WellPoint Health Networks Inc., Thousand Oaks, Calif., 103, $20.360 94. Georgia-Pacific Corp., Atlanta, 74, $20.255 95. Weyerhaeuser Co., Federal Way, Wash., 96, $19.873 96. Abbott Laboratories, Abbott Park, Ill., 100, $19.681 97. AutoNation Inc., Fort Lauderdale, 93, $19.381 98. The Williams Cos. Inc., Tulsa, 196, $19.246 99. Supervalu Inc., Eden Prairie, Minn., 81, $19.160 100. Cisco Systems Inc., San Jose, Calif., 95, $18.878

Wow, you do work for Fortune 100 companies and increased their revenues by 3 Billion. How much was that in sales? Your a fricking genius. I am sorry for ever doubting you. I cannot believe the countries greatest business man has time to argue this. 3 Billion is a 10% jump in revenue for at least a Fortune 51-100. BTW, no fortune 100 company reported a 3 Billion dollar increase in revenues last year according to some quick research. Since that certainly would be reported in their annual report, do you care to mention who it was or will this send us on another goose chase like the Maggs article? I guess you don't want to talk about good faith anymore. A solid business relationship is not built on broken promises like you claim. Yes of course some contracts are renegotiated, but agreeing to play for $X and holding out for $X+1 when somebody signs another contract isn't one of those reasons. A player agrees to play for a given salary. I think he should live up to his word. You do not. It's a morals and ethics thing. I believe a man's signature on a contract is his bond, yours isn't worth the paper it's printed on. You think Maggs should accept whatever the Sox offer and then hold out later if it isn't fair. I have no clue how that works if every player does that. You claim any player would be greedy if they negotiate a contract with another team and leave. The same player is not being greedy if he signs a contract, then wants more money and will not honor the contract. You've explained that a player should not ask for more than 20% of a team's payroll, no matter what their revenue.

You mentioned hold out. See above, LOL

Good faith is both parties gaurantee they will live up to their end of the contract. It is negotiating in a frank and honest means. You've already admitted you do not negotiate in good faith. You do not understand that, you've said that contracts are not worth the paper they are printed on and you're questioning me on Good Faith?! Here's a few more definitions Notice that using leverage to back out of a contract would not be in good faith. I believe this is game, set, and match. Only an idiot would try and defend his "good faith". I'll bet he tries.

You have said that no player should be paid 20% of the payroll. What difference does it make if the guy is #1, #3? You have posted that a player should not ask for more than 20% of the teams payroll. You claim the player isn't greedy if they whine, moan, and hold out during a contract. You said the same player if he whines, moans, and hold out without a contract is greedy. You have claimed that if a contract is unfair use leverage to get out of it. So in any players case: Accept whatever the team can offer. If another team can offer you more, you are greedy for accepting it. Sign the contract for less, and if it becomes unfair, hold out. And that makes sense to you?? So as not to be greedy, Maggs should not even bother talking with other teams. Negotiate a $5 or $6 million dollar reduction to the $10 mil range. If another Sox player makes more for less productivity he should whine. moan, and hold out because it would be unfair. One key fact you are missing out on is a contract should be judged in it's totality. Many times a player may be underpaid one season and over paid the next. How about defered compensation? The guy isn't even playing for the team and they are still paying him. How do you judge that years contract? You clearly have zero experience in real contracts, especially ones for more than the rental on an end table. You somehow think people sign contracts worth tens of millions of dollars based on good faith and expect to renegotiate if it suddenly is unfair one year. You expect players to turn down millions from another team because of fans like you? Write back when you dry off behind the ears.

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This is fascinating. If I piece together all your posts the player should: Recognize he shouldn't take too much of a team total payroll. 15% or so is about tops, if that much. Asking for more is wrong. He should accept whatever the owner tells him about the payroll and he shouldn't expect it to increase. He should also not compare his salary vs. stats to anyone else on other teams because they have a different payroll. If team B has a higher payroll and they will pay him more, and he leaves, he's another greedy athlete. You've also said it wasn't greedy to holdout if the deal no longer as fair. So if you are a free agent, take what the team offers as long as it isn't too much because according to Juggs . . . . . . If a contract is unfair to one party they should use "leverage" to get out of it because it isn't fair to them. Contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on. So Maggs should sign for whatever the Sox can afford, and whine and hold out later if the contract is unfair. Great deal, I wonder why Maggs and the ownership do not jump at it. There are plenty of real world examples of professionals getting paid more than 25% of a companies payroll. I was one of them. I was also responsible for over 90% of that companies income. I had a contract with them and when they choose not to renew, I simply moved my clients different firms and started my own business. In the real world if you are productive and earn your salary, the skies the limit. Almost every year for the past 15 years I've had an employee that made more than me. He has been worth it in spades. In round numbers he is responsible for about $250,000 in bottom line profits to my business. I do not mind paying him $150,000 in total compensation. BTW, and I am certain you have already factored this into your thinking, but what percentage of a team's profits are devoted to player salaries? What if (and I'm not saying it is true) that some team was paying the owner $10 million a year and said they could only afford a $40 million dollar payroll? Would your percentage theory still hold true?

Who was #1 and #2 in your opinion? What were their entire contracts worth? How often were they #1 in salary and #1 in stats?

The poll assumes that the payroll will stay the same for the length of his contract.

You've said Maggs is wrong for negotiating his best contract, yet you've also said a player is right if he whines, b****es, and holds out in the middle of the contract if he is underpaid. You are certainly interesting. I didn't think the White Sox were a charity that players needed to make a donation to. I assume if you make a pledge to a charity, you don't honor that is it is no longer a good deal for you. Do you care more about your employer than money? Would you turn down millions of dollars more because you care? Of course not, you would use "leverage" to get out of your contract.

Sorry, you've been soeaking for Maggs, I must have gotten carried away.

Of course you can look backwards, find a couple players, and make a case. Do you really think anyone here is that stupid? Do you think the Sox are that stupid that they would have paid Maggs more money instead of someone else? Stars offer some reasonable expectation of consistent performance? It's like comparing Uribe to every other middle infielder and telling teams they were idots to sign Jeter, Nomar, etc. to their contracts when they could have had Uribe as a FA. You could make a case like that against any player in baseball. Keep trying sparky. But according to you, the Sox could sign Maggs for anything and just ask to be let out of the contract later if another player, like Uribe starts playing well. Are you getting enough oxygen? Why pay Buerhle when a Dontrell makes less? Why pay Frank? Kong?

This may be an early nominee for thread of the year. It has everything, debate, humor, bulls***, graphics, a star player and a worthless bum, both named Maggs. This may be the passionless, mf thread of 2004.

What's the level of performance difference between 1st and 2nd place? What was the difference between say the Yankees and Marlins last season? 400% By the way, whose the guy you are referencing? I see it is some blog. I'll bet he's using you as his reference.

Ribbie is killing me. In the thread that never ends, an article that could clear up everything is missing. Ribbie has an idea!

In a thread filled with many funny quotes, ribbie tosses in this gem.

Juggs, I take pride that when I agree to do something, I do it. People can count on me, they can trust me. You've used leverage to get out of a contract. I've used my integrity to live up to my agreements. Maybe personal integrity is medieval. Call me old fashion, but I believe a man's word is his bond. Even more old faashioned is I even live up to vebal agreements, and wouldn't think of anything less. I know there are some low life snakes out there that will look me in the eye and lie. I know that there are some people whose signature isn't worth a hill of beans. I chose not to be that kind of person. I believe that there is honor in my word. This may have digressed into the funniest thread ever. From just a couple pages I missed Ribbie has me laughing my ass off.

It that isn't already in the June Quotes of the month, it will be.

See Juggs is so confused he just quoted himself And why even comment on sworn testimony, if yur signature on a contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on why should anyone beieve your words or your posts?

Hey juggs, do you at least cross your fingers behind your back when you sign the contract?

Well Juggs that is all I need to know about your character. For you, it probably only is a piece of paper and your signature on the document doesn't mean s***.