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That I was wrong and the company should have fired salespeople and I'm sorry. We will start punishing multiple people at every company someone drives drunk at. or I wanted Larussa punished more severely after the first offense and now fired immediately and at the maximum lose his driving privileges for life or at the minimum a breathalyzer be installed in his car. If six Cardinal employees lost their jobs in 2007 do you seriously think he wouldn't have driven drunk? I believe a more severe punishment for him would have had more of an effect. But I guess you think more highly of his moral character than I do. I don't think he gives a shit about anyone as displayed by him accepting the job. Knowing innocent people lost their jobs won't change his behavior. But I hope you are right. I also don't think JR gives a shit about people. So he won't care either about firing some staff. Behavior won't change and working folks get screwed.

You are 90% correct. It is great you mentioned Texas. With Austin attracting more and more high tech companies and California getting too expensive to live Texas is growing at a very rapid pace. Last estimate the people moving in are about 75% liberal leaning. Combined with a growing immigrant population that legally votes Dem, Texas is becoming a battleground state. It's not homegrown ideology.

What will you tell the advertising sales guys when their income is cut in half or they lose their jobs? Do you want the team trying to keep sponsors and replacing any that might leave? While fans are pressuring sponsors to leave ordinary middle class people are trying to keep those same sponsors. That's who you are fighting with, not JR, not Larussa. You're battling the sales person out making calls for a living. They will be the ones paying the price. But we'll feel better because we did make the decision.

I agree 100% he shouldn't have his job. I believe it is about public safety. People are putting innocent lives at risk when they drink and drive.

Yes it is. A problem that he will solve by punishing innocent people.

SS2k5 here's the link I'm not making. A bunch of sponsors pull out. JR doesn't get punished because the team won't lose much in market value. JR will still have more money than he can spend. Larussa won't be punished anymore than he would anyways by a drop in sponsorships. But a couple middle class workers trying to earn a living, support their families, live their lives will get hurt. I'm tired of the workers getting screwed over by the rich.

Would the sales team be supporting drunk driving by continuing to work for the team and encouraging new sponsors? If the right thing is to pressure sponsors to drop then isn't anyone trying to hang on to them doing something wrong and should resign?

I wish ignition lockouts were mandatory after a DUI. My brother died in a drunk driving crash and DUIs really piss me off.

How am I protecting Larussa who I want fired and to serve jail time?

What is different is innocent people aren't being punished. What I don't want to see is sponsors ending their contracts and the employees in sales and advertising getting punished. I'm not trying to protect anyone who has done something wrong. I am protecting collateral damage to innocent folks

Fire him.

"well I just lost another account, that's half my commission, we'll have to sell the house" "well at least people aren't drinking and driving like they use to"

I don't believe sales rep losing their jobs because sponsors pull out benefits anyone. A sponsor leaving the Sox will not put a dent in drunk driving.

Employers definitely should have a say. Punish the guilty. The team should fire him once he's convicted. Tony should be suspended by the league at a minimum. What we shouldn't do is punish the other employees by pressuring sponsors to stop their ads. The sales reps shouldn't be punished because of Tony's actions.

That's what our courts are for. Jail time. Heavy fines. Ignition lock devices. Easy to punish people. Punishment is what our justice system does best.

Agreed. But taking an indirect path that hurts innocent people isn't as productive as a direct path where the victim is punished. Should you have your income and livelihood in jeopardy because a coworker received a DUI? Is that the society we want to live in? Punish the guilty.

If you hear Greg screaming he just took a crap and needs tp so ignore him unless you have some paper to donate.

and so it doesn't get lost I believe Larussa should never have been hired. If convicted he should quit immediately or be fired. Drunk driving should be punished with a lifetime ignition lockout device. Innocent people should not be collateral damage while punishing guilty people.

I was shocked he gets belligerent when drunk. Actually I'm trying to find the article that proposed people with self driving cars are increasingly driving drunk in a belief that the car is a HoF driver. Well not HoF, but a better choice.

So your plan is to pressure sponsors to demand he goes into a victim impact panel and completes an alcohol awareness class. (At least in Texas that's pretty standard for everyone). And if he doesn't, the sponsor should stop supporting the Sox and pull their ads. I think it's easier to have the courts continue to require that for everyone. But whatever.

And that would have prevented this DUI 13 years later? Why not have the courts require everyone if it prevents repeats? Wait, isn't treatment and victim impact panels a requirement for most DUI convictions already?

Just more evidence how crooked the system is. How do they keep gaining votes after the election and see they are still throwing away Trump ballots. It will never convince his hardcore followers.

They hired him knowing he was facing DUI charges. They could have waited until it was adjudicated before hiring him.

Obviously not. We need tougher DUI laws. I'm in favor of a lifetime requirement of ignition lockout devices after your first conviction. So if the Cardinals had a dozen sponsors drop would that have stopped him?

For those that want the team punished would you agree to MLB fining the team and or taking away draft picks? That seems like a more direct response than pushing sponsors. I would support the Commissioner suspending Larussa for a year if he is convicted. I believe that's in the best interest of baseball.