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They are the envy of most of the world. Cheap, honest, delivery everywhere. Under a buck for delivery from NY to LA is easy. You can fill a plane with all the mail. Under a buck Granjenos, TX to Wahpotin, ND for under a buck? Amazing.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Feb 6, 2013 -> 06:04 PM) Color me confused...I see a 9 on his back yet he signed yet #17...I guess I could just look up Carlos May or how many days till ST but that would be too easy Carlos May wore 29 his rookie year then switched to 17. I should have looked closer at the pic. Sorry. 17 days to spring training.

February 06, 2013

How would you be losing your Constiutional rights? You would still be part of a well regulated militia. Wouldn't a lack of restrictions and status as a militia be losing rights?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 5, 2013 -> 02:47 AM) So the numbers are not perfect. But I think it’s an absolutely fair point to say that overarching gun laws will end up punishing a lot of people who had never done an indecent thing with their weapons. Nice analysis. Now we would have to look at what the punishment is. Is the punishment not being allowed to mount an M-16 in the bed of your pickup truck? Or is the punishment not being allowed to own more than 10,000 rounds at one time? Or is it not being allowed to buy a gun without a more detailed background search? I hope we all would agree that there are reasonable "punishments" or restrictions that a well regulated militia will follow. Hell, you have restrictions at your work on weapons you can possess.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 04:42 PM) Compared to the gun owners that don't do the bad things, a handful. So why do gun owners talk about all these criminals they have to protect themselves from? Hell it's only a handful.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) So to steal a point from an earlier post, how much do you 'restrict' the sales? Millions of people purchase and own guns with no problems, how much to you screw them to keep the guns away from a few bad apples? You already have laws keeping felons and crazy people from owning them. What MORE laws do you want in their place? You already have laws making it a crime to shoot people, use guns in commission of a crime and so on, what MORE laws do you want? Somewhere there is a point where restricting the supply of guns on the hope of keeping them away from a handful of bad people that will get them infringes on the rights of others to have them as well. I still call your attempts at restrictions to be just like a poll tax. And nobody anywhere ever said we should allow 'unlimited sales'. You just threw that in there to be absurd and over the top like usual. Handful of bad apples? What do you call a handful?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 04:18 PM) So are you advocating to make owning a gun more expensive to operate and own? If so, why are you so eager to price a right away from poor people? Do they not have the same rights as others? You would be willing to force people to spend hundreds or thousands to enjoy their RIGHT to bear arms, but yet have a cow when someone has to cough up $5 for a state ID to vote? I submit that your added expenses on gun ownership are just like a pol ltax, meant to keep poor people from defending themselves. You sir, are racist! (just kidding on that one) No, I am pointing out how restricting sales leads to less weapons in the hands of criminals and likewise, unlimited sales leads to more guns in the hands of criminals. If we're going to deal in the absurdity of don't write laws that criminals will not follow, only write laws that criminals will follow then I believe this shows how they will help solve the problem you mentioned.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 04:05 PM) First off, my scenario would be that when I go to the range I'd rather not change clips multiple times. So there's your scenario. Second, this is not OUR burden here, it's yours. Like it or not, guns are a constitutionally protected right, so you need to provide a pretty good reason, narrowly tailored, to curb that right. Your fear of being a victim of cross-fire in a fantasy world where every gun owner is a Rambo wannabe doesn't work. "Well regulated militia" isn't enough?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 03:27 PM) Nobody says don't write laws. Don't write laws that won't fix the damn problem. I'm glad you recognize there is a problem. Then let's look at supply and demand. When there is more or something than there is demand then prices are low. When there is fewer of them and still there is demand then prices go up. When prices increase then fewer and fewer people (criminals included) can obtain them. Same reason not much street crime happens with high end Glocks, too expensive for petty criminals.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) More like criminals don't follow the laws already, so why make more laws that only serve to f*** with the law abiding people even more and do nothing to actually help the situation that you are so SURE the government needs to fix to begin with. Gun magazine restrictions will do NOTHING to prevent crime or murders. All they will do is now make criminals out of otherwise law abiding people who don't want to give theirs up. My Glock came with a 17 round clip. That is not 'high capacity', that is standard capacity. Again, the logic is flawed. Don't write laws that criminals won't follow. Only write laws that criminals will follow. Then, as Balta is pointing out, gun owners talk about how they need guns for protection, to protect us from tyranny, etc. Then say it isn't about what is needed. I rarely shoot off more than a few shots at one time anymore. It was fun to practice fast firing, the challenge was exciting. But I could easily be restricted to ten and not 17. We've seen where killers have been stopped when they have to reload. Settling on ten instead of six or two would be fine.

It doesn't take long for an honest sale to end up in the hands of criminals.

Again, do you see where the logic of criminals will not follow the law so we should not have the law fails? Do you see where making drugs illegal does restrict the supply and make them harder to get? You seem to have skipped past that.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) And no, I don't myself have any experience buying drugs. But I went to high school and college. I also live in El Paso. The s*** isn't rare. Would you suggest that it is? Do you suggest that making them legal would not change the amount that is available?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) Geez, I've even been trying for several posts to tone down the rhetoric and have a civilized debate with you, and you come along with this. So keep judging me. Then ask yourself all self-righteously why we don't get along and I act like a jerk to you. Do you not see the hypocrisy? Then I will tone it down also. In the real world there are laws. They protect yours and my rights. To protect those rights we use attorneys. Have a dispute with a credit card company, we use lawyers. Get injured on the job\, we use lawyers. Get arrested by mistake, we hire lawyers. We live in a world here with lots of laws that protect our rights. To assure those laws are followed we have courts and yes, lawyers. How are you planning to protect your rights since you don't seem to have any use for lawyers and courts?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) Maybe this sounds cliche, but it's so true... Please explain to me how the same logic made drugs hard to get. Ah, the billions is enforcement we spend? Customs? Border Patrol? ATF? FBI busting smugglers? If they were legal people could produce Meth out in the open, grow marijuana in their gardens. Now I assume in your world drugs are easy to get, but over here, the laws have made it harder and cause prices to increase. Again, not having a law because criminals will not follow them is a silly argument that would eliminate all laws.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:25 AM) Is it absurd to not enjoy being lectured about bravery by a lawyer? I'm sorry, but to me, lawyers define gutlessness and cowardice. You and Balta have prejudices against gun owners, I have them against lawyers. So I told him what I thought about him talking about what makes a real man. Because that is something he knows nothing about. In the real world we have laws. When you buy a home, do you want your rights protected during the sale? Oh that's right, you'll just pull out a gun at the closing and solve any of those problems like a real man. You are so unequipped to live in a civilized society with laws.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:26 AM) That's the point. Criminals don't follow laws. Why are we trying to stop their actions with more laws? I don't see how you can run to the gun control side with this one. This concept goes one way. First of all, I own guns. Second of all, your point is since criminals will not follow the law, then we should not have the law. Criminals murder people, why have laws against it? Criminals steal things, why have a law against it? Criminals drive drunk, why have laws against it? See the flaw in the logic of only having laws that criminals will follow? By making high capacity magazines illegal we begin to restrict the number that are available. When there is more and more of something the chances of them getting into the wrong hands increases. I am in favor of a well regulated militia. I do not see much value in high capacity magazines outside of killing lots of people. In your world there, yes. In suburban Toledo, Ohio? No. How can a militia be well regulated if the government does not know who they are? But perhaps I love the Constitution too much to allow it to be circumvented.

Can you name one law that criminals follow? Isn't that why we call them criminals?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:05 AM) I carry a gun all the time. Have I ever done anything illegal or harmful with it? Getting lectured over the internet makes me angry. I won't deny that. But there's a long way, for me, between getting angry and deciding to physically hurt someone. Your world back there, like everywhere else, has crime. I carry a gun so that when I encounter crime, I'll still have a means of dealing with it. And read how you handle getting angry. What jobs are you capable of handling in the real world?

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 09:01 AM) You criticize me for using insults and then drop this? Hilarious. By your own admission you don't live in a world where things are decided by rational arguments. You have spoken quite force-ably against people like lawyers who think for a living versus real men like yourself. Those are your words, not mine. I was just drawing the conclusion based on your words.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 08:49 AM) I'd like to live in a world where everything can be discussed with intellectual thoughts and ideas. That'd be nice. But we don't live in that world. And I am real tired of guys like that telling me that guns are for p*****s. It especially pisses me off while I'm in Afghanistan. So sorry, I have a nasty reaction to some pompous lawyer dude from Chicago telling me that my way of life, which doesn't affect him a damn bit, is for weak and cowardly people. Well, perhaps that is the problem. back here that is the world. We don't pull out weapons during a business meeting. You don't go into a car dealer and punch the guy out or call him a limp dick to get a better deal. Do you really think you will go into your kid's school and say "I'm tired of this p**** telling my kid he has to do his homework"? You can't control your anger on the internet, and you expect people to support your right to carry a gun? You are incapable of being elected to any office, you'd tell citizens to go f*** themselves. You can't even be trusted to attend a government meeting. That's the real world.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 08:41 AM) That's your choice. You having a gun isn't a bad thing in and of itself. If you don't want one, fine. If you want one, that's cool too. But I hate this idea that you should be scorned for hiking with a gun or I should be scorned for having one in the nightstand. Actually you are scorned for all the insults you toss out. If someone doesn't agree with you you start calling them things like a limp dick, pigs, etc. We understand that thinking and discussing just isn't your strong part. You are trained to see all problems as being solved with violence. I hope you never try to adjust to civilian life.

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 08:04 AM) What the f*** does this post have to do with anything? He challenged me to put down the guns and be a real man. I'm tired of this argument, because it's pleading with me to gamble with my life so I can be enlightened like him. I hope I never have to draw my gun. I really do. It's there for situations when true danger arises. I'm a firm believer in the idea that it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it. So I hope I never "need" it, but if I ever do, I'm not gonna be caught with my pants down because some lawyer jackass thinks real men operate based on mere intellectualism. Yeah. Tell your home invader that you're a real man because you make deep thoughts. See how that works. It's thoughts like that which make liberals seem like pompous elitists living in a fantasyland. It sarcastically showed that when you get tired of an intellectual battle you begin thinking of violence instead of walking away. You start tossing insults, calling people limp dicks, pompous, and jackasses and then say that is what being a real man is. Your concept of a real man shouts insults across the internet and rejects thinking in favor of violence. When people (gun owners and non owners) think about other people who should *not* have guns, they believe it is people like you who have a short temper and believe violence is better than thinking.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 4, 2013 -> 08:16 AM) I would not be opposed to carrying a gun if I were backpacking in bear country. I'd rather have an extra can of bear spray. Ounce for ounce I believe bear spray is a better tool to keep you safe backpacking than a gun that you would want to have backpacking. Although the blood trail the bear leaves will make it easier to find where the pissed off bear took you.