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QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 28, 2009 -> 01:15 PM) All I care is wins, by any means necessary. No you will not convince me that cheating is OK. No, it is not as bad as manslaughter, you brought up speeding and stealing office supplies, and if that is OK, then steroids is fine also. I elaborated and showed how we've always ha d a sliding scale. Go ahead and cheat and have someone read it to you. Bonds and the other players hid their usage and denied to this day. Why? When someone cheats you out of something that is rightfully yours, perhaps a promotion, money, whatever, I hope you have the same feeling and congratulate the person who cheated you. I'm not going to cheat my way to a victory, but if you can live with that, so be it. Millions of people cheering for you, thinking you played by the rules, but really, you just f***ed over the honest guy. That makes you a dishonest person. I guess that is how you were raised. Shoot a five, write down a four. Cork a bat. Slip an ace off the bottom of the deck. Then you are the man! Try and convince yourself you are a better golfer, baseball player, or poker player than the guy who played by the rules. Once you start lying, it is probably easy enough to convince yourself you are really better than the poor sucker who plays it honest. But when you change the rules, you change the sport. If Bonds really thought it was OK he'd be arguing just like you. But in this debate, I'll take honesty over deceit. If you believe that is holier than thou, so be it. But there are a lot more honest people in this world that cheaters. I hope one day you won't have to cheat to win. My guess is you never tried. In the end, you are a cheater. Fortunantly society doesn't honor that very much. Not too many parades and respect for cheaters.

Quick question. If Bonds and the other players didn't think they were doing anything wrong, why did they hide it from their teammates? Why didn't one stand up and say, hey this isn't banned, so I'm taking steroids? Why didn't they just go to the team physician and ask for steroids?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 28, 2009 -> 02:29 AM) Yea, but the thing is, can you be penalized for something not banned (though wasn't it illegal in the US? I don't know), and I think thats what all the people refer to when they say he did 'roids. Also, McGwire has one of the crappiest brothers ever. That seems to be a good question. So I will add my own questions, if it was OK, why did guys hide it? Why didn't one, just one, come out and say, hey this isn't banned so I'm using steroids? They all hid it. Many hid it from their teammates. That tells me a lot about whether the drug users thought they were doing something wrong or not. A person's answer to that will determined whether they think someone should be held accountable for their drug use.

Some of you seem to be confused about the value that society places in rules. If you remember back to middle school and the preamble to the Constitution, the framers wrote to "establish justice". That was the early seeds of a system about rules. They were most likely hypocrites. Later, after writing the Constitution, they began adding ten amendments; collectively calling them the Bill of Rights. Half of these, specifically the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th, are specific to our system of rules and how we will determine who breaks them and what the penalty will be. Again, these were probably crafted by people you will call hypocrites. In the following 222 years, this system of enforcing our rules and punishing those that break them, have grown. A profession has risen that will interpret the rules for you, in case you cannot understand the differences. They are called lawyers, and you will find them in every phone book. Warning, many of these may be hypocrites as well. They can, for example, explain why being caught with an ounce of marijuana is not as serious as being caught with five kilos of marijuana. Amazingly, some people seem to think this should be treated the same or it would be hypocritical. Now we even have entire buildings devoted to adjudicating the rules. These buildings, we call them courts, are filled with hypocrites. In fact, it would seem that the only part of the system that is not filled with hypocrites are the buildings we call prisons. There you will find people that cannot see the difference between breaking a minor rule and a major law. You will find those that believe it is fun to break rules there as well. So yes, we are a nation of hypocrites who insist on enforcing some rules and not others. Of applying different punishments for different rules. Yes, at times, it may seem arbitrary. Moreover, some may find this holier than thou. For those people, perhaps a trip to the Barberry Coast and Somalia where there are no rules would be better. Far less hypocrisy to deal with.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 28, 2009 -> 07:40 AM) I just smoked a blunt the size of Bartolo Colon's right titty. And that's illegal, obviously. How am I any different than Bonds? Fortunately others in society figured it out for you. Even though you cannot see the difference between breaking two different laws, smarter people can. That is why murder may get you the death penalty and assault gets you a long jail sentence. That is why using drugs in baseball gets you a longer suspension than a fight. That is why arguing with an ump may get you thrown out of the game, hitting the ump gets you suspended. Different infractions yield different punishments based on the severity of the rule broken. That is why you are different than Bonds. Or is it still unclear? Holier than though to believe in rules? OK, then believing in breaking rules makes you what? I guess our prisons are full of non hypocrites.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 28, 2009 -> 12:53 AM) Well, it wouldn't be CHEATING it they threw out the rule book now, would it? Half the fun is breaking the rules just to break them. I'm not going to stretch this metaphor as far as it's been stretched by others. All I'm saying is ends justify means. To win at sports, sometimes if it's necessary to cheat, it's justified. That's my opinion, and all I'm saying. And congrats on being such a good driver, but that's not what I said. To see people harp on players trying to get a competitive edge while breaking the law in their own ways (speeding, cheating on taxes, stealing office supplies - even while not being caught) is hypocrisy. And I'd wager that 90% of Americans have cheated on SOMETHING in their life - and to blame people they don't know for something so trivial, it's just hypocrisy. Maybe this isn't you specifically, but if steroids bother someone THAT much, they should look at their own lives before casting stones. I find it objectionable when the skill of the players takes a back seat to which team can cheat better. Perhaps you will enjoy sitting there seeing which team is better at cheating, I'd rather see which team is better at baseball. And baseball, like all sports, is defined by the rule book. I'd rather see the achievements and failures of men playing on a level playing field. To see which man or woman is better that day. Not who found a better way to cheat. How special would Buehrle's perfect game be if we discovered he found a substance to rub on the ball that made it impossible to hit? How special would it be if we discovered the other team was paid to not get a base runner? You claim it would be fun. I pray that 100% of the rest of fans would not find it fun. Your argument basically lumps driving a few miles over the limit, walking out of the office with a pen from work, with all other rules and law infractions. In other words zero tolerance for breaking the rules, but 100% acceptance. To claim that if you drive 5 miles over the limit it somehow then makes breaking every other rule ok, is silly. There is a difference between speeding five or ten over and reckless driving. There is a difference between taking a pen home from work and stealing a truck load of supplies from Office Depot. Believing that 80% of your trip expenses were deductible instead of 50% is different than not filing or working off the books. That is why we have a sliding scale of punishment. That is why vehicular manslaughter lands you in jail and speeding five over gets you a warning. That is why it is not hypocritical to believe that cheating is not OK. The issue with steroids, which is different between corking a bat or throwing a spit ball, is there was no way to detect it on the field. At least with the others there was a chance that an observant ump could catch these guys. With steroids they could stand there with their artificially enlarged muscle mass, shrunk testicles, and big heads and the umps have no recourse. So even accepting your belief that a little cat and mouse between the umps and players is fun, this was not the case.

Chicago, number 3 on my list, will not make the ST top 50.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/27/soldier.suicide/index.html Seems so obvious to me that this is a bad policy. Write the letters, they are for the families.

yesterday I thought a few more of my rock picks would bein the top 10, not anymore. Too many metal heads here.

we will probably be doing a little shopping at the outlet mall with 100,000 Mexican nationals. God bless them for stimulating our economy instead of theirs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 25, 2008 -> 04:44 PM) Applause again for fair knight bump

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 07:13 PM) Aggies up 7-0, wasting no time. Longhorns already marching, though. Could be a fun, high scoring game. You called that one. This A&M team, with all the freshmen, will be scary good the next three seasons or so.

facial lacerations and out of the hospital according to the town's mayor who probably stopped by for an autograph.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) I hope you are young and dumb and not too old to change your opinion on this. Do you cheat on all your school assignments or did you at one time? Congratulations on your diploma. If you have a kid who runs cross country (heaven help the kid, that sport sucks) would you condone him hiding in the brush and waiting for the group to return and have him sprint out front and win the race at the end if nobody could see? In football do you condone him at the bottom of the pile smashing the other team's star player in the nuts or poke his eyes to get an advantage as long as he's not seen? To save some money do you cheat and switch the tags on items? Do you cheat on the wife after your honeymoon. May be a lot of fun, but it's not right. Cheating is wrong. There is something wrong with cheating even if it translates to results. Accomplishing something by cheating really stains the accomplishment. If you don't see that, I don't know what to think. That said, like somebody pointed out, we don't need Minoso back and we don't need Bonds. Both are too old. Of course I agree with you. Perhaps it takes achieving something without cheating for some people to understand the difference. It was nice when I won my flight in my Club Championship, people knew my handicap was fair and I played by the rules. I could not imagine standing there knowing I cheated in any way. But clearly some people can stand there smiling, as if they accomplished more than the person who played by the rules. That seems about as fake as paying someone to applaud. And Greg, I ran CC in college and high school. I loved it. No b.s. bounces of a ball. Hard work pays off.

Useless to cheat at the alphabetical thread

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) Not a good few weeks for Tiger, as there's huge allegations that he has a mistress. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) She is pretty hot too. Not that Elin isnt hot greedy bastard

Two guys are golfing, one guy plays it down, follows all the rules and scores a 5. The second guy uses a non conforming club, bumps the ball in the rough, marks his ball on the green then repalces it closer to the hole, and announces a 4. He calls himself the greatest player of his era because cheating is OK. Yeah, sure. And my last traffic ticket was in 1978 for illegal lane usage. I moved onto the shoulder to make a right turn on red. And I wonder, if he's the greatest player, why he cheated? If he was already the best player, was cheating necessary? Or did he have to cheat to be the best player?

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) And I'll bet you always go the speed limit too, don't you? He was the best player of our generation even before the home run chase, and since his 5 mvps and both home run records, there should really be no debate on this. There's nothing wrong with cheating if it translates to results. I wish our entire team was on undetectable ped's if it led to another championship. If you're not looking for a competitive edge, you're not trying. Have all the integrity in the world and lose 100 games a year - that'll show em. The game was better when eveyone was on drugs anyway. wow. Nothing wrong with cheating? Your parents must be so proud! I can't wait until you hear that from your spouse. So why do they have a rule book? Do you really believe the game would be better if they threw out the rule book? That is what you are advocating by stating that cheating is ok. That is about the silliest idea I've ever heard around here. It's OK to cheat? Crazy.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 11:37 PM) He's still the best player of our generation. It won't happen here, but he deserves his due. People are such hypocrites. Really, that's like saying Ken Lay was the best Exec of our generation. I'll give him his due. He cheated to better stats than anyone else. When the cheaters line up, he's at the front of the line Congrats. And as far as being a hypocrite, I cannot think of any area I condone cheating.

really can'y wait to get to South Padre today. Have a nice lunch, see some friends, do a little shopping, maybe get a hair cut.

lots of great scenery

Jim is canoeing somewhere in Florida. He's a lucky man

Longhorns - Aggies

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) I was looking into this and can only find equipment on their site, nothing about monthly packages and stuff. Is there monthly costs or do I just have to pay for the equipment to get it? They really do bury the monthly fee http://www.sirius.com/packages $6.99 to $19.99 per month depending on what you want

Excellent dinner if I do say so myself