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QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:34 PM) Yeah, but how does that change the outcome of our season if we end up with 90 wins, or 70 wins (just taking guesses at those numbers), if the result in the same that we don't make the playoffs? That's the whole point. It is still contingent on the team to make the playoffs, if youre a better hitter and fielder than youre flat out more valuable to a team.

I believe Fathom and few others said it, but without Konerko we would have been the Mariners this year. Does that mean he holds less value than Cano to the Yankees just because the Yankees have a much better lineup and roster in general? Miggy is more valuable than Konerko, but his team sucks ass, which really just makes him more valuable because he kept that team afloat and is still producing crazy numbers even with little help.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:28 PM) No, because the award is "Most VALUABLE Player", not "Best Hitter" or "Best Player". A Cy Young winner can come from a crappy team because Cy Young award is for the best pitcher. But MVP is for the player that was most valuable to his team, and if your team didn't succeed with you, then you weren't that valuable to them. Well the best hitter would bring the most value to a team.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) As Daniel Hudson improves to 6-1 with a 1.67 ERA as a Diamondback tonight, Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel tweets that Hudson "probably" could have been a Brewer had Milwaukee accepted a one-for-one offer from Chicago for Prince Fielder. The problem at the time was that the Brewers projected Hudson as only a third or fourth starter and wanted more for their slugger. Obviously hindsight is 20/20 on any missed trade, but if Hudson continues to pitch well in Arizona, it will put even more pressure on the Brewers to get a big return back if they do end up dealing Fielder. Seeing huddy s numbers alone hurt but getiing prince would have been great, though I doubt hudson for prince straight up wouldn't happen. Still intrestinf post. If that trade did happen then we would have needed another starter.

Wouldnt a player's value be independent of what his team does? It's like the W stat, it's pretty much out of the pitcher's control, just like it is out of the hitter's control whether or not there are guys infront of him, or good bats behind him, or that there is a good pitching staff helping the team win games. A player's value should be recorded as how well they performed during that season, if that means they were the best hitting/fielding combination in the league then wouldnt adding that player give a ton of value to a playoff team.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) The whole Gemma thing is spreading the storyline thin which is funny becuaue Clay agrees with me. Her and her dad is pointless and then the sex thing and all of that was stupid and finally did Gemma think the chick was not going to see her face in the media anywhere. It is a pointless subplot. Totally agreed, its just nonsense taking away from the much better part of the show. I dont mind having a few minutes on gemma and her relationship with her parents if they do something cool with it, but the whole taking the caresitter hostage in the previews just looks like they are filling an episode worth of action from it which is annoying IMO.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 11:29 PM) Offer AJ ...........Jenks your table is ready GO! Ugh, AJ at 6 mill again is such a bad idea. And Jenks at 10 mill is just as bad.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 11:08 PM) When were the sox good at drafting, developing and promoting? Theyve had some good years and some bad years, but not exactly known for building a home grown team. 2005 roster 1B Konerko- Trade, 2B Iguchi- fa, 3B Crede- drafted, SS Uribe- Trade, C AJ- FA. RF- Pods- Trade, CF- Rowand- drafted, LF- Dye- free agent, DH Thomas- drafted SP Buerhle- drafted, SP- Freddy-trade, SP- Garland- trade, SP- Contreras- trade, SP El Duke- fa In the pen they had Cotts who they drafted. I think the Sox need to add some hitting and they are fine. They have one of the best returning staffs next year. s*** happens you move on. AJ was a FA. Problem iwth returning a "stellar" pitching staff is that you owe $54 million to them, along with potentially losing your best RHP in your bullpen, and your closer for the past 4 seasons. And with arbitration raises we are pretty much stuck with what we got unless we unload Teahen, Pierre, Linebrink. Unfortunately I dont really see us being able to get much salary relief in trades.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 11:07 PM) Just get Juan Pierre out of my sight. Oh god yes.

Another great SOA episode.

QUOTE (Cali @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:32 PM) I'll check back in the trade after next season....A half a season is not a good barometer to judge this trade. Hell BOTH guys could suck next season, and it would still be an even trade haha Check in on this trade after 6 years, because that's how long the Sox would have had him under team control. And no it still doesnt negate the value if they both suck, because we atleast dont have another $8 million on our payroll next year. That is a huge hit considering our limitations and the big salaries we have on the team right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 08:27 PM) Yep, KW has been TERRIBLE at his job ever since the 2008 season ended. I don't really know how anyone could do worse. The returns on the Swisher and Vazquez trade really couldn't have been more mediocre, and has killed the depth in this franchise. Who needs depth? We won a world series without depth.

About damn time something goes our way, lets ride this s*** out.

This team looks dead, Hawk sounds dead. Cmon guys, have some life in your game.

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 09:11 PM) Beating up on division opponents, winning one run games and avoiding crippling injuries are things good, successful teams tend to do. Those are not indicators of a fluke. On the other hand, the superb year we got out of the pitching staff -- specifically the bullpen arms was pretty much out of nowhere. And, of course, that was one of the primary factors that allowed us to win it all. Some refuse to recognize that it is damn near impossible to maintain the 2005 team's level of performance year in and year out. That team is arguably one of the best (in all facets of the game) to win a championship in the last 25 years. The White Sox probably won't ever have another crazy year like that -- even in future championship years, but that doesn't qualify it as a fluke. Masterful seasons are, by nature, hard to replicate. The tendency of some ST posters to s*** on 2005 because they see it as the reason for the inflated egos of our GM and Manager is stupid. Enjoy 2005 for what it was and save the hate for Ozzie and Kenny instead. They both had massive egos before and after the Series win. Yea but now they have it as an excuse for their mistakes, and there are plenty of people (on here too) that will follow that bulls***. People say, "They did it once so they must be doing everything right" which is just terrible.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 12, 2010 -> 08:25 PM) Geez only 41 post and this is the best you can come up with? This has been beat to death more so by the baseball retarded. YAWN Way to attack a fellow poster personally. And it keeps getting talked about because Thome keeps hurting us, and people are frustrated seeing him on our biggest divisional rival right now, as tehy are easily pulling away from us. Of course everything will be blown up when a team is struggling for a playoff spot, and having a stud player leave your team for the team ahead of you will only increase the attention it gets.

2005 can be considered a fluke in baseball because everything went right for the Sox in that run, we had so many breaks in the playoffs and really we avoided any crippling injuries during the season and won a vast amount of our 1 run games. That team was not supposed to win on paper, so it can appear to be a fluke. Yet, baseball is a game of flukes.

So i finished a Land Shark beer just to empty the bottle, so that I could fill it with Franzia. Wine in a can bottle!

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 04:47 PM) 20 as well, but less than a month until 21. December 22, still got you beat, oh wait...

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 12:01 PM) Quran burning? Or Muslim community Center? I thought you switched topics. Hmm? I never talked about the Quran burning on here.

I easily take the lead after waking up at 11:30 by pulling out a "20" on my license.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 12:40 AM) we should really push signing vmart, if we let konerko, jenks, and aj walk, and trade away CQ, i think we should have the cap space to do it. I think a package of CQ and Danks2 should be good enough to get Choo, if not a guy like Markakis. The Indians GM would reject that offer before he even heard it.

Honestly Kap, I have not seen a real argument from you in such time, besides "We muuuuuuust be racists for saying such a thing." Why can you not just say why you feel or believe as you do?

You forgot about arbitration raises (Quentin, Danks, possibly Pena). AJ cannot be offered less than 20% of his current salary in arbitration, which is $5.4 million, and thats if the judge believes he deserves a 20% cut. Right there you are talking about an extra $10 million eaten up, not including AJ. Essentially, even with losing all those players, with resigning Konerko and AJ, and with arb raises, we have almost no wiggle room without a trade.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) I think there's plenty of reason to be emotionally invested on the pro-side also, if you believe that it'd be a good thing, consistent with the best of American values, to have Muslims freely practicing their religion in that city. Fair point.