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I was actually just waiting for another spammer to stop by with one of his viagra posts, cuz I was gonna snatch some of that up. thanks for ruining my fun

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 05:33 PM) Yet a muscle bond first baseman who tears a bicep around the same time is viewed as clean as a whistle around here. But then, he's "our guy". And I am not accusing him, just pointing out that judgments get clouded by the color of a guy's uniform. agreed 100%, which is why this is nothing more than a witch-hunt. So and so kind of looks like he maybe did steroids once, and by the end of the conversation, he's a full-blown roider. This thread has quite a few empty accusations in it in an attempt to hurt a person's reputation...that's kinda referred to as libel.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 03:00 AM) What's wrong with Stewart getting his feet wet? He'd probably hit .125

wow, good thing I am keeping up with the news on my state's politicians prayers for the best...I've always liked Johnson. I met him once when I was in 4th grade. I have a hunch he doesn't remember me

Anyone with a brain? Dude, come on, knock that s*** off. 1. whichever team signs Marcus Giles 2. Jose Cruz to the Padres for $650K 3. Adam Kennedy to St. Louis for 3/$10 4. Ramirez to Seattle for Rafael Soriano (for Atlanta, obviously) 5. Jennings and Ascencio to Houston for Hirsh, Taveras, and Buccholz (for Colorado, obviously) Throwing money at free agents in this market is not the wisest idea. The Red Sox moves haven't been as dumb as others, but I'd hardly call all 3 moves top 5 moves. Paul Konerko is UNDERPAID. $12 million a year for .300 40 .900+, considering the market, is a steal. Meanwhile, Varitek takes a s*** every 4 years or so and gets paid $9 mill to do so. Otherwise, he's a very solid hitter. I'd hardly call him overpaid, but to compare him to Konerko is a bit ludicrous in my mind. Dude, how? I see Okajima, Timlin, and Tavarez as the only ones even guaranteed to make the team, and Hansen is ridiculously young. I guess mainly I'd like to hear an explanation defending that. Wakefield closed 8 years ago. And he was horrendous that season. I'll give you Papelbon though. He shouldn't be if a first ballot HoFer if he is, but yeah, he is...how does that apply to today? And, in my book, he's not one of the best. The best are the top 10, and he's not in it. He'll have to adjust the hell out of his game then, because he was horrendous last season. I mean, 36 homers? ERA of 5? His K/9, regardless of how great of a talent and how spectacular his stuff is, was 6.9. For comparison's sake, Ted Lilly, that of a $40 mill contract and mediocre stuff, had a K/9 of 7.9...that's a full strikeout better per 9. Successful is such an arbitrary word. Johan Santana has been successful in the past 4 years, and so has Jon Garland. Tell me who you'd prefer. By successful, you mean mediocre. There's no real argument against it. "a young stud in Jon Lester who also has a chip on his shoulder and is not only fighting to become one of the 25, someone who is going to be working his butt off to be in the best shape of his life so that he can kick this cancer in the nuts and save his life." I think the world of Lester, and I was happy as hell he is now cancer free...but he was mediocre last year. You're still preaching mediocrity. "Oh, and lets not forget, widely considered the greatest Japanese pitcher of all time and someone projected by just about every scout whose ever seen him pitch as a perennial ace over here in the states in... " ...who still hasn't proven s*** (but we've had this argument, about his ability and his cotnract, so I'm not even going to touch it) "Mike Lowell is one of the best, if not the best, defensive third basemen in baseball. For an entire city who applauded Joe Crede solely for his defense when he was consistently a misguided offensive player throughout his entire career, it's laughable that you'd bring the Red Sox third base situation into this." That's when Joe Crede was making around the league minimum. And then he was the MVP of the playoffs. And then he had a pretty solid season last year. You can compare Joe Crede to Mike Lowell in the baseball world all day long, but when it boils down to it, Crede's a better bargain than Lowell. Period. "There is still alot of off season left, Lowell could be back, he might not be. It's not like he's being relied upon and he'll most likely be batting 7th or 8th, which considering the White Sox had an anemic 7-9, makes me all cozy inside." First of all, Lugo had 2 good months last year. He was pretty much horrible every other month of the year. He's done that in the past too, so it's not like it's a one time thing. And he's mediocre defensively. Secondly, the 7-9 wasn't bad, the 8-1 was anemic. It's a technicality issue, but your hate of Joe Crede is driving me up a wall. "Your true colors and lack of baseball knowledge scream here. Might I ask you: What have been the three best moves of the offseason? Garcia for Floyd and Gonzalez? The White Sox got fleeced." That did drive me up a wall. FLEECED? That's an amazingly strong word for getting a top 30 pitching prospect and a former #4 overall pick back in return. Add to the fact that Kenny Williams saw both of these two extensively in the AFL, that Garcia is mediocre with diminished stuff and in the last year of his contract when the White Sox had no intent on having him resigned, and that the White Sox have McCarthy waiting in the wings, and there's no way you can say the Sox got "fleeced". Perhaps not enough value in return, but you can't say fleeced. That essentially means no chance of it working out for the Sox. That's a completely inane comment. "While Varitek may be overpaid, there is no denying it, if he's able to provide a full season of leadership to a rotation that's going to be one of the best in baseball, he's worth every darn penny." One of the best in baseball? GMAFB. I'll believe it when I see it. "As for Mirabelli being overpaid.. it's being reported that he'll make $700,000 next year which is Sandy Alomar money. That's right, the same Sandy Alomar who provided nothing at all, and threw out 3 of 25 base runners on the season. Dreadful. " Again, I'll believe it when I see it. If so, it's not a bad contract. "Third base, I explained. Lowell isn't even overpaid in this market to be totally honest. " And Paul Konerko is???? "There is no overpaid pitcher on the Red Sox staff. " I seem to recall them spending a grand total of rougly $17 mill a year on Matsuzaka, even if he only gets $9 mill a year or so. I don't care who the pitcher is, $17 mill is a lot, and probably overpaying. $13 mill or so for Schilling is quite a bit too, especially with the uncertainty of his performance due to his age. "Saying Drew and Dice-K are overpaid is just plain stupid." No, it's being of the mind that regardless of talent, or regardless of their price to market value, their price figures are ridiculous. I've argued Matsuzaka, and Drew is a player who's coming off a year with an .891 OPS and who has a history of injuries getting $14 mill a year. That's a ridiculous figure for a player who has yet to prove he can stay healthy. I like Drew a lot, and I think he'll be fine, but to say you it's impossible to say they are overrated is stupid. "No true fourth outfielder!? haha. Middle relief pitching!? Starting pitching!? hahaha.. When did Soxtalk become a haven for complete idiots. Go make a post about how Iverson is on his way to Golden St, you'll fit right in that way. " Keep that s*** out of here dude, seriously. That's f***ing ridiculous. "Odds are, Clemens will be in Boston by the end of the week." I completely doubt this, but even so, what are the odds he keeps his ERA below 4 upon moving to the AL and to a division that actually has legitimate offenses? Probably low. EDIT: I couldn't fit 18 quotes into one post

He is indeed a pimp

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Dec 14, 2006 -> 01:24 AM) But as you said, they'll never give out a deal like Soriano got. I guess I'll just beg to differ. I think they will, but only to certain players, and I'm not sure they've ever had the opportunity to give it out to players they are willing to. Two examples of this would be Konerko and Crede. Had Konerko been a free agent this year, I'm not sure they would have had any problem going 6/$90 on him simply because he is worth it. However, Crede won't get 5 or 6 years from the Sox simply because the health of his back is uncertain. If history's proven anything, the market will go down in time. Manny and ARod got ridiculous contracts, and mediocre pitchers, such as Darren Dreifort, were getting 5/$55. This year, it's the same s***, different players. Precisely. If you see the Sox overpay on someone in this market, I'd imagine it will be with a low scale move, such as a bench player or a long reliever. With the prices middle relievers are getting, I doubt you'll see KW hand out a contract to any of them, and there's almost no chance he'd bring a positional player or starter into the fold in free agency. The one exception to that last part I posted might be Buehrle. I made mention to it on another post a while back ago, but he is probably the one pitcher the Sox brass feels will be able to stay healthy out of all the starters while being better than a league average starter (for the most part). If they tried to hammer out a 5/$65 deal, or even a 6/$78 deal, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 08:18 PM) Check this out. http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/p...ayer_id=118986 Full Name: Joe Coffee Table Born: 05/22/1966 Birthplace: Azua, Dominican Republic Height: 6'3" Weight: 235 Bats: Right Throws: Right College: N/A MLB Debut: 09/10/1987 Joe Coffee Table...he and his wife Mirla have 6 children; sons Ralph (6/29/79), Juan Jose (8/4/85), Jesse (8/17/88), and Jose Jr. (8/13/93), and daughters Yamely (1/15/74) and Yenny (7/16/87)... So he was 7 when his first daughter was born, and 13 when his first son was born. BALLA! dead link

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 03:08 PM) I knew he needed an MRI. Thank God he kept pitching hurt for the most of the year, so we couldnt of stretched out Bmac. He could of taken a rest, got stronger. I saw that. What a f***ing joke.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) I'll be laughed at but the Red Sox made the three best signings of the offseason, without question in my opinion. Based on money, team needs, etc. The Red Sox were basically competing against themselves in the Lugo bidding. The Mets have Valentin at 2B, and I really think they intended on having him stay as the full-time 2Bman. And I don't think the Cubs were every really serious about playing in CF or whatever that ridiculous idea was. They will have also payed $103.1 mill total for Matzusaka, even if he only receives $52 of it. That amount of money for a pitcher who has never pitched in the United States before is a little risky. I imagine he'll be quite solid for 2-3 years or so, but I'm really interested to see how the league adjusts to the gyroball. And then there's Drew who I love, but that's still $70 mill spent on a guy who does have a history of injuries. I think he'll be fine and that contract will be good, but we'll see.

Witch-hunts are fun

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 10:15 PM) .....eh, maybe. Not too sure how many teams are looking for a back up catcher, or a right handed back up catcher. I would rather have the Sox get Jose Molina while the Angels are down on him and have two guys ahead of him. and give up anything of potential value for him over just money?

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 04:16 PM) The Twins are going to sign Jeff Cirillo sometime this week I fully expect him to revert back to Colorado form now.

QUOTE(WkdJstr13 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 08:56 PM) Revised trade: Wood, Kendrick and a tube of K-Y and you could be onto something. well said

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) Actually, I have heard/read several reports about Hunter not being close to the defender he once was because of that injury. Also, I don't think he always gets particularly great reads or jumps on the ball. He is great at going back on the ball or stealing home runs, but he doesn't strike me as someone who comes in on the ball particularly well or that takes great routes to the ball. I think he may get pumped up a little because of some of his highlight catches just like Aaron Rowand did. Some of the best CF's don't make a lot of highlight reel catches because they get to the ball so easily because of the routes they take. He has always gotten good reads on balls. His good reads plus his athleticism are what have made him the CFer he has been in the past. He sometimes misjudges his own athleticism, and has made dumb plays (read: ALDSx2), but he has pretty much always gotten good reads. So, in this case, I'll go by what my two eyes tell me over your hearsay. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) I bet if you asked Aaron Gleeman what he thought of Hunter's defense this year, he'd say below average. Hunter was slow out there -- mainly due to the injury -- and thus had to dive for a lot of balls that normally he could make while doing cartwheels. I respect Gleeman's opinion, but from what I saw of Hunter, he looked average to slightly above average. He wasn't Hunter of the past, and I don't think I've ever stated anything to the contrary, but from what I could tell, he was still solid.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 09:55 AM) Hunter was 'below average' when you compare him to 'average' for Hunter. true enough

Yeah, I definitely saw Hunter on a daily basis, and he definitely was not below average. He wasn't GG worthy (though he did make one of the greatest catches of his career), but he wasn't "below average" defensively.

QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:00 AM) it's awesome that i have such a fan who loves to read and respond to every single one of my posts. Let's just say I constantly like to point out problems

Hanson - MMMMbop

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Dec 11, 2006 -> 03:01 PM) I feel that people should take responsibility for their actions And he has, unless you are following a completely different person. Success should be earned, regardless of what route you take in life.

If this proves anything, it's that there isn't currently a good metric for evaluating how good a player is defensively Rowand is above average, but something that suggests Wells, Hunter, and Sizemore are below average is wrong.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:32 AM) I'd rather have Runelvys for a minimum salary contract than that clown we got from the Phillies. What's so wrong about demanding he lose 50 pounds and if he does he can come to spring training? If Fat Boy slims down he could maybe be an effective starter or middle reliever. Gavin Floyd has a little brighter future than Runelvys Hernandez.

It's quite simple as to why the Sox would make such a move - it's a negotiation tactic used to devalue a player. It's no surprise that the White Sox would want to retain Crede long term, bad back or not, because he's a pretty good all-around 3Bman. I wouldn't worry about it much. It's quite doubtful he gets traded this offseason, because I'm not sure how they could find a match with anyone while also getting something of equal or comparable value in return either in trade or free agency. QUOTE(SinkingShip06 @ Dec 11, 2006 -> 11:55 PM) They're not gonna keep him long term. They'd prolly jump at the chance to trade him for 2 more no names for the "future" That means so much coming from someone with such a broad understanding of the game. Give it a rest dude.

Devin Hester > you

QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Dec 11, 2006 -> 01:17 PM) chris sabo