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I believe all of that to be true. Basically, my point is that it isn't necessary to trade Rios. I believe the Sox should trade one of Rios and De Aza, but not to force the issue.

The best comparison I can come up with off hand for a Rios deal is Hunter Pence for Seth Rosin, Tommy Joseph, and Nate Schierholtz last deadline. Rosin and Joseph look like mediocre prospects (though highly drafted, 4th and 2nd rounds respectively) and Schierholtz left in free agency to the Cubs (and is having a great year). All I'm going to say is that dealing Rios is risky.

I really don't think trading Peavy at this point can be considered an option. He's hurt, so that immediately devalues him, plus coming off an injury, teams won't give proper value (ie a #2 starter tied up to a contract) for him right now either. If he clears waivers or someone wants to trade for him in the offseason, that's fine, but I don't think he's going to show enough in 2 weeks or whatever to maximize his value.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 10:46 AM) You think I nicknamed it that? My god, try going on the internet every once in a while. And yes, I think it's fair to say we have no idea what the online will be like, yet we know what all the specs are for both, we know the policies in place for both, we know the prices of both, we know the capabilities of both. One of the few unknowns here is how the online experiences will be. Hilarious. Way to go. And you still have no idea what the system will be like. Do you own either one of them? You can speculate all you'd like, but you don't know s*** at this point. Thus, using the nickname "XBox Done," whether you came up with it or not, is incredibly hypocritical when the message you are trying to portray is "let us see." (it's also a terrible nickname, like most are) I don't see TaylorSt as an XBox fan boy, but just a customer with a different perspective. He has said that it could very easily fail, but he wants a more comprehensive system. By and large, people believe that the PS4 has won, myself included, and a lot still think that the XBox is on its last legs because of this announcement (myself included, and I said as much in this thread). Of course, I'm also well aware that I have not seen this yet and using it as an argument. The XBox could very easily win over the market and become a revolutionary product, or it could be a product that's ahead of it's time (it wouldn't be the first time Microsoft introduced a revolutionary product that flopped). Maybe you should wait to see. In 3 years, we could easily be talking about how Microsoft owns the greater share of the open market and that the PS4 failed because it was essentially a repackaged and slightly upgraded version of the PS3. It's impossible to know.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2013 -> 08:38 AM) Trayce's 2nd homer http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?con...89&sid=milb It would be such a huge lift for this organization if he can turn into a steady contributor.

Michael Taylor Scott Van Slyke Dee Gordon Kolton Wong Randall Delgado Zach Britton Those are the first few I'd be scouting pretty hard. Older young players who are close to the majors who've shown success who appear to have been given up on by their original team. Both Delgado and Britton would be used out of the pen initially.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 06:44 AM) I really don't, and I kind of feel bad about it. If we go young next year, I don't want a laid back guy like him in charge. That would be the time to go after Dave Martinez. Just bring up guys and let them play. Seems to work for other teams. #1, having a totalitarian, yelling, screaming manager is not a good thing for young players to deal with. #2, you have no idea what type of manager Dave Martinez would be. My guess is that he'd do a lot to mimic Joe Maddon. That's pretty laid back. Yes, I want Ventura back.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 15, 2013 -> 02:09 AM) TaylorSt, How the HELL can you say the online experience is better on the XboxDone, when NEITHER IS EVEN OUT YET. You think Sony is going to suddenly charge "13 cents a day" and then do nothing to improve their online systems except add party-chat? That's extremely shortsighted. This really is one of the most hilariously ironic and contradictory posts I've ever seen on here. We're sitting here saying "how can you say it's better when neither is out" yet you've already gone ahead and nicknamed the new XBox product the "XBox Done." Way to go.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 03:47 PM) Wrong system or else hilarious. It's hilarious. That's some good ol' fashioned ribbing right there.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) *Zack I have an insatiable urge to punch him in the face right now for so many reasons

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) Houston has WAY too much commited for both, though they can get one. You have to remember that through a quirk in the CBA, the AVERAGE of Lin and Asik's contract is used for Houston, whereas if their teams had matched it would have been the actual yearly salaries (I don't get it either). That means that they have close to $30 million commited just between Harden, Lin and Asik. And this is what I get for listening to Rotoworld. Atlanta is the best opportunity for them to play together. I could totally see Sterling messing this up too and losing Paul, which would be both a travesty, because the Clippers are fun to watch, and hilarious simply because they are a perpetual circus.

QUOTE (SAVVY18 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) I had the joy of being in attendance when Liriano was on the Twinkies and no hit us in 2011. Totally made the 2 hour drive to the ballpark worth it...or NOT. It was weird though because we had 6 walks so it really didn't seem like a no-no. Sucks that we only lost 1-0 knowing a bomb would have tied it up. I still remember that Dunn was at the plate with a runner on and he lined out to the SS, playing behind 2nd, for the final out. He threw 123 pitches, but only 66 were strikes and he had only 2 strikeouts. I called the exact outcome of that game in the 2nd inning. 6 walk, no hitter. It was not a happy prediction to get right.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) Does any team have enough cap space that they could make a legit run at both? Atlanta and Houston

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) So none of you think he's not ready for high A pitching? I think he's just as ready for that as he is rookie ball pitching or Low A pitching. AA is a different story, but I don't think we'd see a different story in low A. Let him play against guys who are developmentally equal to him (approximately) and the most talented of the bunch. If he repeats High A next year, it really is not a big deal.

That is the biggest crock of f***ing s*** I have ever seen. Why and how can you not suspend Greinke in that mess? HE HIT 2 GUYS - 2 - and all he gets is a fine? f*** Zach Greinke

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) Yeah, for Miami Taking those hurried, unnecessary, off-balance threes was some Nate Robinson ass s***. I honestly don't think I've ever seen an NBA player play that poorly in an NBA Finals before. Taking terrible shots, making errant passes, losing the ball...if he had TRIED to play worse, he would have played better.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 11:45 AM) Anyone notice how unexceptional Billy Hamilton is playing in AAA this year? .655 OPS, 40 SB. Has to be better than that especially after they moved him off of SS He's also 22 and started last year in High-A. Not surprising though that a guy whose game is predicated on speed becomes less effective when he starts playing better players. I'm sure he'll be a major leaguer at some point but he'll probably be an overrated one.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 11:49 AM) The entire roster is loaded with bad players. My entire point about Gillaspie is that he's garbage, yet people speak of him fondly. Spoiled coffee grounds smell better than spoiled milk

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 10:32 AM) IIRC, most of those guys had labrum injuries which was a death sentence back then. I believe that was the case for Rauch, Barcelo, Parque, Biddle. Can't recall the rest. No, it was pretty much all of them

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 09:22 AM) Gillaspie's game is much closer to being MLB sustainable than Flowers' is. They are two completely different types of players, so c'mon Steve, leave Connor out of this, okay? Historically, re: the catching position, the Sox have learned a lot of hard lessons about trying to develop young players into that role. Furthermore, the organizational strength is pitching. It makes sense for the Sox to get a vet after this season either through FA or in trade, so let's just wait and see what they do. Yes this team sucks, and it hurts, and so I think we all need to be able to lean on each other, stop fighting & start listening more, be supportive of each other, etc. because there's still a lot of miserable games left & lots of crying, anger and confusuion likely ahead. Steve will not let this Gillaspie stuff go because Conor Gillaspie is a serial cereal pisser.

You don't play Madden online for more than a year, and then you play and win a couple, and you forget why you ever stopped.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 03:03 AM) It's a bit ironic the last couple of seasons that Herm Schneider has become renowned for keeping players healthy. If you look at that 1998-2002 group, almost all of them were wiped out. Jason Stumm, Lorenzo Barcelo, Jon Rauch (was never the same after the labrum injury), Jim Parque, Mike Sirotka, Rob Purvis, Corwin Malone, Rocky Biddle (he went on to become a decent reliever with the Expos), Kris Honel, Danny Wright, James Baldwin and Matt Ginter. The only ones who became "successful" were the least highly touted of the group....Buehrle, Josh Fogg and Chad Bradford. Then there was Kip Wells, Garland and Matt Guerrier. (Of course, Garland wasn't our draft pick, he was the Cubs'). Then, of some of our recent pitchers, Hudson and Brandon McCarthy have had horrible luck with injuries, Clayton Richard some problems as well...Sergio Santos, it has almost been like a curse when we try to draft and develop our own pitchers. People typically put far more of the onus on Nardi Contreras. I really don't think it has anything to do with Schneider.

All is good in armpit land this morning

Ginobli played gooooooooooooooood last night