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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) I count playoffs as results, not seasons above .500. Especially with how weak the central was for a long time. Is he horrible? No, but I really don't see how there's any way you can say he's the best. I count trophies. The Twins have like 4 playoff appearances in the 00s and have 1 playoff series win. The White Sox have 2 playoff appearances, only 1 under KW, and have 3 series wins, all coming in the same postseason. Yeah, I can be a homer too. The Sox have been a better organization because they keep the talent they need, they get the talent they need, and they have won one. Most of that is largely due to KW.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 09:15 PM) Konerko hit the ball pretty well tonight. He had a hit and his rbi force out was ripped. Ramirez hit the ball hard just about everytime as well. My man Uribe with 2 doubles. I'm sure if he's in the line-up tomorrow scores will be b****ing. It depends on why Uribe would be playing. If it's because of tenderness in Joe's back, then I'd be just fine with it. If it's because Alexei had a manicure at 1:30, then it'd be a different story. I have no problem with attempting to keep a hot bat going; it's when Uribe goes in his 0-for-30 slumps (or so it feels) that he shouldn't be playing in back to back games. It's been proven in the past that a hot Uribe can carry a team for a bit...he just doesn't stay hot enough long enough. Agreed completely on Konerko though...he hit some balls very well tonight and he looked pretty solid last night too. I'd imagine his average will be in the .230s or so come the first week of August.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 12:58 PM) Richard is capable, IMO. How much have you seen him? I mean, suggesting he's capable of handling the rigors of a 162 season, potentially throwing 200 or more innings and making 30+ starts isn't something you just take on like it's nothing and live life. The dude has NEVER thrown a pitch in the major leagues, and you are suggesting he's capable of handling the last spot in the rotation? Edinson Volquez has been the best pitchers in the majors this year, and I'm still not about to suggest he's capable of handling a starting pitching role on any team because he hasn't proven himself to be healthy over multiple 162 game seasons plus the playoffs. That statement is just completely ridiculous.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 04:29 PM) I think Crede is the only position player who could be moved this year, that doesn't hurt the sox chances of winning. Though the sox would have to get a better deal than what the "B" picks from free agency would bring. I still don't see Crede moving, because I don't see a nice return via trade for him from another team. Fields isn't much of a drop off from Joe. Moving PK would be a drop off from whomever the sox could put in the OF to replace Swisher. But this aging lineup of over 30 year olds scares me. PK, Dye, AJ, Crede, Thome, OC--Ozzie needs some help from the bench which is pretty sad. Crede and Cabrera are gone next year and will be replaced with Fields/3Bbroughtinfromoutside and, likely, Ramirez. Quentin and Swisher look like studs, and Brian Anderson is still waiting to claim a spot. Age is one thing I am not worried about with this team.

A 6th starter and a Ryan Freel type of player for the bench down the stretch would be the only additions to this team I would make via trade. I might see a necessity to call up Russell, Fields, Owens, or Getz/Richar as well, but they're already here and they don't need to be added. And if Richard can prove capable enough of pitching in the majors, I'd say the 6th starter is solved.

Rauch was never going to be traded to Chicago. He fits the description of a late inning reliever that the Sox may want/need due to injuries and never having a good enough bullpen, but he left the Sox on very poor terms. He'll almost certainly never come back.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) It amazes me, as a culture, how we just are not receptive to evengelical thoughts anymore. People (Americans) just aren't interested. I think there's a Carlos Quentin joke in there somewhere

I think Wolf would get torched at the Cell. He's been known to give up homers at an astronomical rate and he's dangerously injury prone. He's a hell of a story because of all the injuries he's fought through in his past, but I want him no where near my stadium with a glove and a ball standing on the pitcher's mound. just saw his road ERA on rotoworld...6.63. And that's pitching in the NL. He would be absolutely bombarded in the AL.

Chipper Jones is in that division too I'd be OK with Odalis so long as it didn't cost much. Geoff Blum is terrible and if you'd rather have him over Juan Uribe, I have serious questions about your baseball judgment, because Juan Uribe is a far superior player to Blum. Regardless, there aren't many moves this team can make that will benefit them without making drastic changes to the lineup. So if by impact move you mean blockbuster move or anything close to that, no, the Sox won't be doing that, or atleast they shouldn't be doing that.

QUOTE (tommy @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) I like this team better with Swisher @ 1B, and speedy Wise/Anderson platoon in CF, unless Paulie gets hot which I hope he does soon. .292/.393/.458/.851 in his last 28 PAs...of course, that includes his 4 hit game too. He's looking better at the plate though, so as of right now, I'm not too worried.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) Yeah, I think we're decently near the top. I believe 5th in the AL in runs. Far from the problem though. We still have no approach against certain types of pitchers(See: soft tossing lefties, pitchers we've never seen before), and that is totally on the coaching staff. We've shown the ability to score in bunches, but it's just a wonder to me why we can't do it all the time. We're going to need some consistency down the stretch. Also, I'm not sure, but I thought we were near dead last in RISP average. Like I said, I'm not sure, but if someone has the numbers on them, I'd like to see them. The inability to hit soft-tossers is one reason I wouldn't mind Josh Fields sitting on the bench. He strikes out a lot, doesn't play great defense, doesn't hit for average, but he does hit breaking balls better than most people within the organization, and that could prove to be an asset. Just stick him in the middle of the lineup and hope the starting pitcher makes a mistake and actually throws him a breaking ball he can hit. I also think that's more on the scouting staff than anything. Coaches talk about mechanics and mentality of hitters; they don't know the tendencies of a pitcher without a scouting report. When they get that, then they can help clue their hitters in to what the pitcher might be doing.

lost in all the hate of everything that is black and white on the South Side last night was that Vazquez had another good outing; that's 2 of the 3 where he's turned it around and pitched better. Getting him straightened out would be a big boost down the stretch.

Ed Wade, you are an idiot and an imbecile. You have no chance of competing in the NL Central, yet trade for a pitcher and hang on to some kind of invisible hope that you are a competing team. The Cubs acquire Harden, the Brewers Sabathia, the Cards are ready to get Wainwright and Carpenter back any day now; all 3 are ahead of your team by 10 games or more, and the move you counter with is the acquisition of Randy Wolf. Well done. You may have honestly and positively moved ahead of Brian Sabean as the worst GM in the game, and you're lucky Bavasi already got fired because you are probably worse than he is too. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 02:12 PM) Well, she was, too, but so was Danica. Danica is too much of a b**** for me to ever say she is anything near "attractive". I can't stand her.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Jul 19, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) OK, here are the Sox first round / first round supplemental picks since 1999 - 2000 - Borchard (bust, expensive at that) 2001- Honel (bust, injuries), Wyatt Allen (bust) 2002- Royce Ring (college reliever, traded for a worthless half season of Alomar) 2003- Brian Anderson (strug-gell-ling) 2004- Fields (showed promise last year, but in minors), Lumsden (bust, injuries), and Gio Gonzalez (very good, but traded away-twice) 2005- Broadway (low K/9 pitcher doing OK in AAA) 2006- McCullough (bust, not really talented) 2007- Poreda (jury still out) The Sox's drafts since 1999 are the reason why they aren't consistently winning the AL Central, especially given their payroll. Other than 2004, when the Sox picked Fields and Gio Gonzalez, they haven't been able to figure out who the top shelf talent is. So, no, I don't feel any great loss over a supplemental first round pick given up by trading Cabrera away mid-season. the 2004 draft netted the White Sox, in part, Gavin Floyd, Jim Thome, and Nick Swisher (along with a couple other players switching jerseys along the way too). Josh Fields looks like either a good trade piece or the starting 3Bman next year, and while it's an empty ERA, Lumsden has put up a good ERA in AAA this year. 2004, the year where the Sox just so happened to have compensatory picks, is probably far and away the best draft the Sox have had in the past 10 years. Not that that should be surprising or anything. It's also funny that you mentioned 1999 but failed to mentioned 1998...the Sox drafted Kip Wells with the 16th pick - he's still bouncing around the league and has had success at the MLB level, though appears to be washed up at this point. And then they took some dude named Aaron Rowand as a sandwich pick at 35. He's only like the second coming, according to some around here. Getting extra draft picks is good and increases your odds of attaining supreme talent, which is one of the reasons the Brewers were just fine with letting go of LaPorta for Sabathia.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) When is the last time KW really made a big move at the actual deadline..........Never, he got Garcia in June. KW does alot of talking and gives the old well I tried speech! What big move do the Sox really need? That's what I can't figure out right now. I see slight upgrades you could make all over the roster, but they involve about adding 2-4 players to the roster, and none of them would see a significant amount of playing time down the stretch. Add a 6th starter, add a good bat or two to the bench, and shore up the bullpen a bit. What else can be done?

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 12:47 PM) Konerko is about as good as a AAA hitter. Actually, he sucks. Whenever Paul Konerko comes up in discussion, ignore it. He obviously pissed in coffee every morning and then broke down the door when you were taking a s*** on several occasions too, and you've been waiting for him to struggle so you could rip into him every second you could. I'm gonna say stop now because it's annoying as hell. QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 22, 2008 -> 02:36 PM) Yeah I am sure Walker helped those two learn how to hit... You mean Quentin, who hit somewhere around .230 and was a below average hitter in 450 PAs for Arizona? No, Quentin just figures everything out himself and doesn't ask anybody for advice. Alexei Ramirez started his career 4 for 35 and was an absolutely terrible ballplayer; perhaps it was just adjusting to MLB pitching, but it'd be asinine to assume that he has learned everything all on his own. Oh, and anybody who doesn't give Walker any credit for Dye is fooling themselves too. Dye was always a good but not great hitter, but thanks to the training staff here for keeping him relatively healthy over the years and the hitting support, Dye has turned into one of the most underrated hitters in the league. Among RFers over the past 3 years combined, I would venture to guess he is one of the top 3 in the AL. I'm not a fan of Walker either, but give the man credit where credit is due. If Cooper gets credit for Danks and Floyd and Vazquez and the bullpen, Walker can atleast get a little bit of credit for Alexei and Quentin and Dye, can't he?

Their bullpen is so bad right now it's hilarious.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 21, 2008 -> 06:42 PM) He will be 26 years old next season. He strikes out 1 out of every 3 ABs in AAA. His OBP is fairly low. His walk rate is going the wrong way. He's mediocre, but passable defensively. He certainly isn't elite. I would say if he finishes up like he's played this year, mediocre is a good word to describe him as a prospect. I agree completely. He's got fantastic power, but without the ability to draw a walk or hit for average, he could very easily flame out. My love for Fields has cooled quite rapidly this season.

Cameron Maybin was also the main piece along side Andrew Miller in the acquisition of Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera. They aren't looking to move him, let alone for a mediocre prospect in Josh Fields.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2008 -> 10:01 AM) I don't think you can compare the two. Getz can actually play SS and 3B (not the greatest arm, but it is strong enough to backup at both of those spots) plus he can play the OF. He is also a lot faster and has more pop (not a lot more) but bottom line he has a better skill-set than that of Aaron Miles. Miles can play SS and 2B...95 career games and and about 700 innings at SS at the major league level. He's not a starter there, but neither is Getz. Miles can also play an emergency 3B, having played 14 games/95 innings there are the MLB level, though he's much more of a utility middle infielder. I also haven't seen anything in the numbers that suggest Getz is that much faster, but the numbers deceive the eye a lot of times when it comes to that. It's nothing against Getz or Miles, as both are serviceable MLB players and Getz seems like a potential starting player some day if everything pans out...but all the numbers and measurables compare favorably to Aaron Miles. He's doing it at a younger age and he has a noteworthy height advantage on Miles (Miles at 5'7, Getz at 6'0), but I'd either like to see Getz in person, do it at the major league level, or go back to AAA next year and improve upon his numbers.

The Tigers are nothing more than a dangerously good offensive .500 team.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jul 20, 2008 -> 01:39 AM) this team is so good and so bad, they are not a winning team if they make the playoffs, there's just no consistency this is from watching this team all year long, too. not just tonights game. even the games we win, i tell myself, this is a weird team it's because they beat themselves so much, it's ridiculous how many errors is crede pushing, almost 20? yeah that's amazing. and we're worrying about fields defense. The 06 Cards disagree. Really though, it's just a matter of how the team is playing come postseason time. If they are dragging along, they'll get swept; if they're playing well, they might only lose 3 games all postseason. This team is more hot and cold than anything else. One thing that they have going for them is the pitching staff, and I see it remaining one of the best in the majors.

he's on like a 30/30 pace it's just too bad he's slow as s***

atleast it's not about the Red Sox