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i thought javy sucked though

QUOTE(JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 09:05 PM) adding to this, the twins were actually 11 games back of the tigers at the break last season, obviously this is the same tigers team that they ran down and passed to win the division by 1 game so they made up 12 games on the tigers in the second half, thats pretty hard to imagine The Twins didn't have to climb over 3 teams.

QUOTE(Lemon_44 @ Jul 9, 2007 -> 12:06 AM) i do think it's funny that at places like ESPN you have two under .500 teams that are double digits in games behind in the Yankees and White Sox and yet the Yankees are supposedly " in it" and the Sox have no chance. In reality, they are both most likely out of it. However, if i had to pick a team more likely to make a run, it would be the Sox. Their pitching is a ton better than NY's and if the KW could somehow acquire some bullpen talent then it's possible they could make an unlikely run. The Yankees are 8.5 out in the Wild Card, 10 out in the East, and actually have an offense. The Sox are 13 out in the Central, 12 out in the Wild Card, and have to go 51-25 simply to win 90 games. It's virtually impossible for the Sox, while the Yankees actually have the talent up and down their roster to put together such a run.

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QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 11:26 PM) You make good points. I think Ruth was a better hitter, because you have to remember that the fences were 400 feet all around back then. Now you go to places like Fenway Park, and it's something like 310 down the right-field line. While many of Barry's HR's have been BOMBS, many have been shots that barely make it. In Ruth's era, those are doubles or outs. Quality of competition; not only were there not any colored players, but there wasn't much for fastballs or breaking balls. and it was 295 down the right field line, and 350 to right center. It was 490 to centerfield and 460 to left center, which is like impossible to hit out of, no doubt, but don't act like he was hitting in a limitless park. And, with such ridiculous dimensions, I would imagine inside the park homers were a bit more frequent. If you hit a ball that bounces behind the CFer, you have almost no shot to get the runner.

people are jumping all over it

I believe that says I was online that day at the bottom http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.soxtalk.com Soxtalk fun

He said while remaining a closet Cards fan he wanted to remain in Chicago. He said after the 2006 World Series - a series that he attended and rooted for the Cardinals - that he wanted to remain in Chicago. He spoke all offseason about how he wanted to stay in Chicago. He has repeated exactly that this season too, in his contract year, that he wanted to stay in Chicago. I think the man wanted to stay in Chicago above all else, and was willing to give up a ton to do so. If he can help reset the market trend - no way it's possible, just quietly hoping to myself - then all the better. Buehrle

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 8, 2007 -> 05:28 PM) what the

If he can get that breaking ball down a little more, as in below the knees, he will be solid as hell. Probably will need to add an offspeed pitch though; that fastball-slider would be outstanding out of the pen, but isn't doing much in the rotation.

wow

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 03:29 PM) .222/.270/.366/.636 from August 12th to the end of the season. .219/.264/.341/.605 In his last 89 games played. slanderous lies

If we are talking about line drives back to the pitcher, Billy Wagner has to be on the list.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 06:43 PM) And again, for comparisons sake, he's twice the general manager than one Kenny Williams. I don't see twice the World Series rings, but I do see almost twice the payroll. Kenny Williams won't accept anything less than two top prospects. There's a reason Buehrle hasn't been moved yet dude. Don't make ridiculous statements where your emotions get the best of you, because otherwise you'll end up looking like an idiot. And right now, the Angels, Tigers, and Indians all look superior to the Red Sox then me, but it's an opinion and nothing more.

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 11:40 PM) I have an idea where both sides can win. It's time for KW to get creative. Buerhle has given up a lot in salary and # of years. The Sox give Buehrle the contract they agreed to with a limited NTC of a list of teams today that he won't play for. Odds are they're small market teams that won't trade for him anyway. The Sox and Buehrle also agree on an escalation in salary in teh contract if Buehrle is traded. Say that his salary automatically increases to $16-17 mill per year + a fifth year is added on the contract. This helps off set Buehrle's home town discount if traded. The reality is if the Sox suck the next couple of years (and that may be the case) and Buehrle is pitching well, teams won't shy away from the contract. Heck, there'd probably be 7-8 teams chasing him in the FA market offering him $17 mill per year for 5 years. Now Buehrle gets compensated to get traded to a contending team taht will have pursued him anyway this off season if the Sox don't re-sign him. Is this too logical? Bob Buehrle wants to stay in Chicago. That's the reason for the full no trade clause. He will not accept a limited NTC. If there is any leverage in this deal at all, it's towards Buehrle's side. He's already given up a year and $19 mill in salary for the Sox; he will not give up any more. It's absolutely up to KW right now to either crack and give the full no trade clause, or for him to trade him while receiving less value.

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QUOTE(Colorado Sox Fan @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) Sure, when he proves he's fine from the surgery and gives a big price break for being out nearly the entire season. He was miserable in the second half of last year and was off to a bad start at the plate in '07. Back better be good. That's just a flat out lie. Crede put up an .809 OPS as the White Sox 7th hitter in the 2nd half last year. That's very good. However, he was absolutely terrible in September, putting up a .546 OPS. That's probably what you are remembering.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 5, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) Yep, Masset was available to start tomorrow, but they're going with Floyd instead. I'd say there's about a 75 pct chance now that one of our starting pitchers is traded in the next 5 days. I'd personally go higher than 75%.

I actually just like making fun of old people.

This tends to happen when pitchers pitch well past their 50s.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 09:50 PM) I'm glad he pitched well. I guess reality is something Javy fans just want to avoid. He pitches several gems every year, but in the end its right around .500 with a mediocre ERA. and you can tell the future because you know exactly what he's going to end up with in 2007. He could be .500, but that might have more to do with the White Sox being a 90 loss team. Or he could blow up. Fact of the matter is, through 107 innings, he has a 3.70 ERA and a 1.08 WHIP. That is good.

indeed I am now a Havy Jomer

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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 06:46 PM) Yes but it could be very misleading. Take all the hate with Contreras. Take away his first and last start. Say they are not relevant and his ERA is 3.97. Not bad. As bad as Contreras has been this season, his ERA is almost identical to Vazquez's last season, and a lot of people say Vazquez is paid perfectly. He makes more than Contreras, so Jose must be a bargain even when he's bad. Hopefully some team feels that way. From watching him pitch and simply looking at numbers, it appears as though he's breaking down and next year he'll be worse than he is this year. Vazquez, through all the mediocrity, still has his peripherals and his electric stuff, suggesting that his numbers are either going to remain pretty constant, or they'll improve. Thus, it's much more likely he'll be an average pitcher over the long term than Contreras.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 3, 2007 -> 06:14 PM) Isn't terribly relevant is just about the same. I can cherry pick stats with McCarthy and what I said was if McCarthy was in the rotation and Vazquez not in 2006, the White Sox still would have finished in 3rd place. Do you not agree? If anything wasn't terribly relevant in 2006 it was Javy Vazquez's August and September. I would say Garcia's rise from the dead at the end of the year, but that was relevant as it got someone to take his contract and give something back that might be useful some day. He's had 2 games this year where he went 7 innings, gave up 1 run and didn't get the win. On the other hand he's had 3 games where he's gone less than 7 innings and gave up 5 runs and he didn't get the loss. He had 1 game last year where he lost 1-0. He also had a game where he gave up 9 runs in 6 innings and didn't get the loss. Cherry pick all you want. Why do you begin relevancy when he's going good? Relevancy has to start somewhere, doesnt it?