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Look at the Rangers’ roster back then and how far they were from competing. Timing. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/52900-was-mark-teixeiras-trade-to-atlanta-the-worst-trade-in-braves-history Arguably, this was THE trade that kick started everything for their WS run, just like we dealt three assets in their prime for a slew of top prospects that mostly panned out.

Or they just bring back K.Jansen, but most likely to exercise $8 million option and pay Blake Treinen to close. Not to mention Graterol and pretty sure Knebel. Kelly’s also gone, it seems.

That’s the issue with Toronto and the Phillies, who both did relatively well with young/cheaper closers. There aren’t mote than a handful of logical matches…maybe 4-5 contending teams, tops.

That’s a pitching name that writes its own headlines if he takes a loss…

Or a Greek island…

Kind of crazy that Marcus Semien could end up with anywhere close to 3x greater than the Grandal deal in terms of overall dollars.

Then if he reversed track (signing Escobar), it would be a bit difficult to explain to fans in terms of what changed/improved exactly without raising some red flags. “They all but agreed to the trade about three weeks ago, but then Escobar hurt his quadriceps. Then the reliever the Diamondbacks were going to get back; he had a little problem, had to get a cortisone shot.” https://southsideshowdown.com/2021/07/19/chicago-white-sox-escobar-deal-was-place-fell-through/

Sounds like a new Crayola color…

Rodon now becomes the pitching mystery to watch of the offseason, along with Scherzer, Gausman and Kershaw…and, of course, the Kimbrel trade.

Assuming you went by end of season rosters, so Kimbrel was $5.3 million and Tepera at $266,667.

Wouldn't we be better off with Escobar AND Leury/back-up veteran catcher VERSUS $14.5 alone (basically a wash) with Kimbrel's salary? Not sure what argument there is there, other than about Hahn's ego needing to be massaged...he just better hope that Rodon doesn't repeat 2021 next year. If so, he needs to come up with the equivalent starter, because Kopech's results seem like they are about as predictable as Dylan Cease's, except far fewer innings, K's, etc. Can count on those two to destroy most of the AL Central, but against top teams, no idea what will happen.

Segura is going to be 32 at the beginning of next season and will give you a 2ish fWAR at second. Now is that really worth $12-14 million to the White Sox? Maybe. The problem is that that spot would have provided the same production, roughly, and maybe even more, for a FRACTION of the price had we kept Madrigal. Which, once again, is all fine and good at $190-200 million, but it really starts to sting in the $170-175 million payroll range. It means you're losing out on a starting pitcher, Marte/Conforto, etc. The real comparison should be 2/$20 for Escobar (roughly the same age, a bit older) versus slightly more for Segura AND basically getting nothing in return for Kimbrel that couldn't have been purchased on the open market (at even less $$$ per fWAR). Which ends up being a pretty negligible return for Kimbrel.

I'm guessing Kimbrel for Segura plus $2-3 million in cash? Something like that? Still think they're better off with a Kemp or McMahon (Tier B/C prospects) than spending $10-15 million on declining veterans.

Rodon and Escobar, haha...RF still a massive mystery if Conforto slips from their fingers. Might be a repeat of 2021. Gausman over Ray despite LHedness.

Kimbrel not being in red sticks out like a sore thumb since he didn't technically have negative fWAR and doesn't consider the players surrendered in acquiring him, either. We certainly didn't get the production of an elite $16 million closer who we paid a top of the market price for. What would be far more interesting is $$$/fWAR allocated across MLB bullpens the last three seasons.

But the Padres did actually win a playoff series last year. Nobody will be satisfied just having a seat at the playoff table next year...at least I hope aspirations are grander than that.

No, no and no. The only way this makes any sense is if you're 100% convinced his changes in one season from an erratic AZ career to TOR and top of rotation are sustainable. He used to struggle to get through 5 innings because of high pitch counts and elevated BB/K rates. He was like the mirror of a three outcome hitter on the pitching side. Much like Rodon before last year, incredibly frustrating to watch. The potential and stuff was always there, though.

This probably means they decided they can't afford both Tepera and Graveman too, so went with the better choice to their evaluators. The Dotel and Linebrink comparisons are the first that come to mind...as Crain was more of a value add with question marks who out produced expectations before breaking down. Now that's typically where we excel in the bullpen, not paying going market rates. Pretty much everyone questioned Herrera, it was quite obvious he was toast...and that they were attempting to catch lightning in a bottle. We still need to bring in 2-3 if not 3-4 Jimmy Cordero's and hope for just one of them to break through. The money should be reserved for Top 3 needs. And maybe this makes a Leury return more difficult unless the budget is a legit $190~200 million. I think most Sox fans would also like to shore up the backup catching spot as well with a veteran with solid defensive and leadership skills.

See Cano deal...

At the very least, their own closer in Iglesias....

At least you didn’t suggest trading Abreu to open up 1B for Vaughn. Baby steps.

Pretty sure the mods wouldn’t even be comfortable doing that…well, some would.

The problem is the value of a 1.5 fWAR RFer is negligible. Including the salary increases, not even sure you would claim Gurriel for free based on his arbitration numbers increasing.

Nobody has a clue. Just internet speculation. I still think either one year or as many as possible, but in the middle (3-4 years) seems the least likely. And don't see a team risking $17.5~20 million for 4-5 seasons coming off his (relatively) disappointing 2021.

Sure, but they really liked Wood, just not as much as DeScalfini. We will see if they circle back to Cueto after January if other options are off the table. Obviously, Gausman has to be the next priority to address.