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"No Deception Jomes" will be a great board nickname for next season while he's struggling in the closer's role. Gracias para su asistencia.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 4, 2016 -> 07:46 AM) I do think it often comes back to financial limitations. Even to sign guys to short term deals in that mid tier. The Fowlers, Desmonds, and Fisters of the world are perfect examples. Rather than affording the one year $7-10MM range the Sox are restricted to the $3-5MM range (i.e. Jackson, Latos, etc) which does make a difference. So if JR is truly "all in" he is going to need to allow Hahn to increase payroll. It doesn't need to be a $50MM increase but probably $15-20MM increase. Also for those worried about Shields' $10MM the next two years (Sox portion). 2016 Danks + Latos + Turner + Gonzalez = 2017 Shields + Fulmer + Fister/Volquez + Gonzalez in terms of dollars while better accomplishing the goal of filling out the rotation (IMO). This even assumes Shields is thrown in the bullpen filling the current Turner role of mid/long relief (as bad as he is he would still probably be more effective than Turner in this role). Well, seeing as Danks and now Shields are/were aming the worst contracts in baseball, I'm not sure we should be congratulating ourselves too much. Granted, Danks' injury situation was hard to predict. The problem is a lot of success is riding on a rookie who doesn't have the raw stuff of Rodon, and Carlos is still figuring things out after nearly two full seasons in the big leagues. If Fulmer, Anderson, Collins, Burdi and Hansen all reach their potential, there's a 50/50 chance that puts us close to a playoff team, barring major injuries. Of course, past history dictates a bit of skepticism that we can go 5/5 or 6/6 if you include Rodon as well.

Once again, where is this "billions" of dollars coming from? I hope you're not adding in Gates and Buffett because they have cooperated/collaborated with the Clinton Global Heath Initiative in the past...because the total endowment is significant but only in the hundreds of millions. Uber is theoretically worth $39 billion. For what it's worth, I actually read two of the anti-Clinton Foundation books and I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, but there's a key difference between illegal and unseemly. Both of them are lawyers, they've always managed to straddle the line for 35+ years.

Actually, another poster has warned us over and over again not to expect anything out of the 26th pick. Of course, Mike Trout was selected just after that. At this point, it's probably better to hold back the "reveal" for 2017, as selling Fulmer and Burdi as being like two new acquisitions will be a key element of the offseason marketing strategy. This is your chance...do you believe Burdi will end up with more career saves for the White Sox than David Robertson?

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...ck-burdi-season http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0903-story.html Hype machine rolling out more Burdi praises...mostly from Kevan Smith. Poor Mr. Smith doesn't get asked about his season, injury, future prospects with the Sox. Of course, we saw it before with Rodon and Austin. At least we don't have comments from Cubs' prospects on him, so there's that.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 10:02 PM) But isn't that another reason for signing mid tier talent like Fister or Volquez to short term deals? I mean it's not going to break the bank and if they produce you can dump them at the deadline for young talent if you are out of the race. It's not like signing them will cost a draft pick either. If they don't produce then you aren't stuck long term with a bad contract. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with those types of signings. When's the last time the White Sox were successfully able to execute this strategy to get a legitimately talented player back? The problem is signing players that end with essentially zero value or contracts too big to dump...or at least players that aren't dumped until the final year of their contract. And yeah, it would be nice if the Sox were as successful as the Cubs have been executing these veterans for younger talent or even talented "suspects" like Arrieta or Gavin Floyd. We'd have a much deeper farm system now at least.

Only if Konerko and Uribe join him...

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Sep 1, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) I never said it was a scandal. I just stated my opinion that it looks bad for a former president, who also happens to be a multimillionaire, to use tax dollars to help pay salaries of employees of a not for profit that brings in billions of dollars and uses 90% of it on expenses, salaries and travel. The top executives of the Clinton Foundation make over 500k per year and we need to use tax dollars to help pay for it? Billions? C'mon, it's a drop in the bucket compared to Apple's tax bill. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Clinton-Fo...ies-E230271.htm What top execs are making over $500,000 per year? There's also no way you can come close to substantiating that 90%. You'd be better off targeting DiCaprio's charity. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/3...harity-malaysia

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 07:57 PM) Is the box score correct that Turner topped Shields in being s***acular? Unearned, but yeah. The WHIP will suffer. Some had Turner in next year's pen.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 07:53 PM) Lawrie posted the numbers he always posts. Those numbers appealed to the astute team-builder Rick Hahn, but I doubt they appeal to many other GMs. Plus you had the injuries. That was at least worth a shot due to his impressive war numbers early in his career...and due to the low cost of acquisition. Micah, Tyler, Carlos and Leury weren't capable of a 3 war season unlessyou combined them into one player.

I don't think anyone was advocating go after Shields entering the 2014-15 offseason. This is almost two full seasons later...everyone could see his stuff degrading with KC in 2013 and especially the following year. There's just no way you can throw 200+ innings for so many consecutive seasons without it catching up to you. It even took a huge toll on Buehrle, who never got by with his arsenal of pitches alone.

Yeah, but a rebound undoubtedly puts him in the 5-5.5 ERA range. His "good" stretch this year included some crazy 0 for 48 stretch with RISP while he was striking out around 5.5 per 9/ip. Basically, the best case scenario is John Danks from 2013-2015. Reactionary is getting mad at Sale or Quintana when they have a bad start.

Even if Sanchez hit .325 the final month, would anyone want him to have the 2b job over Lawrie and/or Saladino next year?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) Thank u for the clarification. I thought I read or heard on O'Reilly that whites were no longer a majority in terms of numbers. He was probably referring to California, Texas and Florida in the not too distant future...

Well, the Tigers and Royals have the easiest 28 game stretches left...Twins and White Sox will have numerous opportunities to play spoiler, along with the AL East. Don't count out the Astros, either.

It was easy to see coming in a general way...just not that 23-10 start. Go back to the May 6th game thread, though, and many were seriously wondering if they would ever recover...that's how shaky things already felt with Latos, Rollins and the catching situation, not to mention Abreu. The truly scary part is we're at 20 games below .500 with Tim Anderson performing better than most expected (exceot for his propensity to hit into so many DPs with elite speed.) And we can't count on regression from division foes, either.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 3, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) Nailed it. The only real upgrade in that lineup compared to this year is Puig/Reddick over Avi. And unless the team has serious financial constraints you can't trade Robertson. Make him a setup guy again and move Burdi to closer. Sign another setup guy to pair with Robertson and move Nate Jones to the 6th-7th inning. We have a lot of depth coming back in middle relief/long relief. How could we possibly trade Melky when he's been our best hitter this season? I know I've suggested trading Robertson before but trading him and those other guys like Melky, Frazier, and Lawrie only makes sense if Sale and/or Q are being traded. You're going to pay Robertson elite closer money to set up...for a guy 25 other teams passed on? If Burdi was guaranteed elite, to be better even than Robertson, he should have gone in the top 3-5 picks. This idea of him just absolutely dominating from the get go like Jenks in 2005 is pretty far-fetched.

And Fister had most of his career success pitching in Comerica...which has a much bigger outfield than Guaranteed Homer Field. Yes, he's a sinkerballer, but that's not enough to guarantee anything or the Rockies/Sox/Reds would have five of them in their rotations.

It's the same line of thinking that had everyone convinced Liriano would be a significant contributor in 2012. Cooper failed to get through to him, but the Pirates had much better luck. If we are the Pirates or Royals, maybe we do get the quite useful version of Volquez that's a playoff and World Series starter. Heck, even Guthrie was. That said, spending $8-10 million on those guys is fine...IF IF IF you're the 2003 White Sox and desperately need a fifth. We're still on the hook for $22 million more to Shields, so they're unlikely to cut him right away like they did with Danks. That's the first issue. Number two is Fulmer hasn't looked remotely ready, but finances are going to force him and Burdi up unless they can find a taker for Robertson. The White Sox have done fine with Gonzalez this year...but you're playing with fire when you dive into the veteran scrap heap. For every Miguel Gonzalez or Dillon Gee that's "serviceable," you get a Shields, Medlen or Chris Young that completely destroy the team's chances. And the Royals still have a $10 million mutual option on Volquez with a $3 million buyout. There's no guarantee he's even made available. Meanwhile, you still have to find a "good enough bullpen" that's not based solely on Putnam/Petricka recovering, a good enough DH, a good enough 2b (that's what Lawrie and Saladino are, IF IF If they're the 8th or 9th best hitters in your line-up), a good enough catcher, a good enough CFer. They won't fix 2b, but they still need three huge upgrades at relatively expensive positions that are startlingly hard to come by for the Sox over the last five years. And they need Frazier, Abreu, Eaton, Anderson, Cabrera and Lawrie/Saladino to collectively be 15% better than this year. That's a tall order.

Weiner, Love & Friendship and The Wailing (indelible Korean horror film) are all excellent...

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) With Rodon coming into his own, I'm really pumped about what this rotation can do next season. Sale, Q, Rodon form arguably the best 1-3 combo in the league and back it up with Gonzo and hopefully a solid Fulmer and that rotation certainly has the potential to be top 2 or 3 in the league. It's hard to break up a rotation that strong with 4 of the 5 guys under 30 yo still. I'm all in on building around that staff but the front office has their work cut out for them this offseason in order to improve other areas of weakness on the roster. Yes, but we saw that out of Rodon the second half last year as well. Didn't translate. At any rate, Shields, Gonzalez and Fulmer will make or break the season...

Typical Avi Garcia at-bat. Have the lead for now, but can the bullpen hold it?

The White Sox will win because of the duel game threads...and that tradition will have to be maintained until they lose again, haha.

QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) I think we should do a poll to see how many people don't know what the word sup means. Chaucerian term for eat dinner, lol...

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 2, 2016 -> 07:15 PM) He isn't going anywhere You really think they're going to sign him to an extension...? It would fit the current modus operandi, but adding 30 something vets who will be falling apart at the end of their deals isn't exactly the right approach unless you're just one player away.