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Let's not forget how much money we're saving on Robertson's deal that had zero value to the Sox. That $20 million or so can be put to a lot of productive uses. Clippard gets hot and we can turn around and flip him with Swarzak/Jennings or Leury/Saladino/Yolmer to complete a bench for a playoff team.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:18 PM) Sounds like Sox wanted Groome https://mobile.twitter.com/BostonStrong_34/...511315572547588 Probably no Groome even with a Kanhle included...so moved on.

https://pinstripedprospects.com/yankees-top...n-clarkin-11949 Clarkin far from garbage, former first round pick in 2013, LHP out of high school, has had some injury issues...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:14 PM) So your 2020 Charlotte Knights LF. Fast guys are nice but the name of the game is power. Hopefully Hahn acquires enough guys who hit a lot of homers. Sounds like Hanson...or Leury.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) Still can't believe they traded Anthony Webster for Carl Everett. And Frank the Chair Thrower Francisco

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) If they go to Minneapolis tonight, maybe Kahnle can say hi to Latroy Hawkins tomorrow. And yet somehow we miss Quintana next week against the Cubs...maybe that's the best outcome for all parties involved.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:10 PM) Who the f*** is Tito Polo? http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=m...itting/2017/ALL Colombian CF with 800+ ops for Trenton/AA... Oops, 811 cumulative between high A and Trenton, where he's actually hitting better.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) I guess Andrew Miller went from some bum who couldn't figure anything out to a guy who turned into the best reliever in the game overnight. Not like a slight mechanical tweak could make that difference. Oh, and Jake Arrieta, he was just some back of the rotation fodder to Cy Young winner with what amounted to a slight mechanical tweak. Hell, let's go back 12 years. The White Sox claimed a fireball pitcher off waivers named Bobby Jenks. He worked with Coop a bit in Spring Training, converted to a reliever, and closed out the most important game in White Sox history in 88 years. No, a slight mechanical tweak doesn't mean s***. Or Jose Contreras...or Matt Thornton. The question is how well Kanhle handles the Bronx pressure cooker.

MLB.com's Mark Feinsand hears that Tyler Clippard might be moving to the White Sox. He's included in the nearly-completed trade sending Todd Frazier, David Robertson, and Tommy Kahnle to New York. It would mostly be a salary offset, as Clippard is a 32-year-old impending free agent making $6.15 million and the White Sox are trying to stack young talent. Clippard has a 4.95 ERA, 1.29 WHIP, and 42/19 K/BB ratio in 36 1/3 innings this season out of the Yankees' bullpen. Jul 18 - 10:34 PM

Seems to be equally about monetary savings, have to hope we eventually flip Clippard as a successful closer...or is his contract expiring this year? 2018? How much is he owed?

I have a feeling everything will be pinned on Manafort, Stone, Page...someone the admin no longer has any investment in, already fired/disgraced, etc. Flynn will be pardoned as an "American Hero/Patriot." Civilians, though....beware.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:42 AM) I'd be curious to see what the question was. There's a difference IMO between people believing that Trump Jr. met with a Russian citizen versus "Russia" or an agent of Russia. Do we know if those Russians in the meeting were agents speaking on behalf of the Putin? Do you really think Putin would expose himself to that type of liability....you can implicitly intimate that the meeting has his blessing, without an explicit admission of his direct involvement. It's the way he and Trump are always covered and underlings can be sacrificed to take the follow and insulate the top dogs. Eventually, they'll have to pick a fall guy (would love it to be Kushner, but unlikely) and pardon most of the others. Everyone gets away without any consequences, that won't play in the media with how long this story has stretched...and it certainly will have legs into 2018 and the November elections. Dems get control of the House again, it will be even more fireworks.

Seems to be a on a bit of a roll right now. Reward him. Let's not pull another Fulmer with him...timing/momentum are important for young pitchers.

Anderson based on his play this year at the major league level or based on projections coming out of 2013/14/15? Because there's no way he's that low going by the latter criteria. He'd be closer to 5/6/7 IMO, because of his premium position, athleticism and "off the chart" projections.

I didn't even go for the entertainment value so much as "supporting the team" and of course it will be more watchable again with guys like Moncada and Lopez/Fulmer to liven things up a bit and stir debate about the rebuild's eventual path to success (or not). (Otoh, currently reading Pessah's THE GAME makes me NOT want to put any more money in JR's pockets.)

Saw one Moncada #10 jersey in the LF bleachers Sat night...

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:00 AM) 1) I read in todays Sun Times that the team is not expecting much in return for Frazier and Robertson after they're traded. You have to see how this plays out but I don't doubt that we will receive next to nothing for them. This only confirms to me that this isn't a rebuild. Its simply a salary dump by JR. I figure by Opening Day 2019 the team will have a payroll of somewhere around $30 million. Considering that the team grosses over $260 million every year, JR is looking at making more serious money. This team will be so bad by then I wouldn't be surprised to see the team have a Turn Back The Clock day with the players dressed in the uniforms of the St. Louis Browns.Hopefully sometime around 2019 this team will have new ownership in place to turn around this train wreck of a franchise. 2) I've always been a fan of Hawk Harrelson as a announcer. I wish this was his last season. It's time for him to go. One of his constant remarks the last 2 seasons is that JR is not going to let the Cubs take over the city. After this Quintana trade I wonder if he's going to use that same comment. The sporting goods stores at I-88 and Fashion Outlet by the TriState and OHare didn't have a single White Sox item. Only the Nike stores. It was insane how many different Majestic Cubs jerseys they had for sale...

Plus they can market Melky Cabrera and relievers as well to all those NL teams looking for corner outfielders....

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 05:48 PM) I'm cautiously optimistic with the return for Quintana. I still can't shake the belief that Hahn could've/should've held out for one of Happ/Candelario/Scwarber as the third piece in the deal. I have no problem with Jimenez and Cease as prospects but I can't be ecstatic over getting two single A level players for Q, a still young, left handed pitcher proven to be one of the best starting pitchers in the majors over the past several years who is under a very reasonable contract for three more years. Cautiously optimistic over their potential, yes, but not ecstatic. When they're offering Schwarber plus for Fulmer? Fulmer's arguably worth the same or even more than Q. The left handedness makes to close to equal. Happ would never have been available for anyone other than Archer, who used to be their property once upon a time. If Q had a 2.75-3.25 era, sure, maybe you can dream that big. Not at 4.49.

To put the deal into perspective, a roughly comparable package from the Braves – just based on BA’s rankings — would include outfielder Ronald Acuna (ranked No. 10 overall), pitcher Luiz Gohara (No. 76) and two lesser prospects. http://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/leadoff...RGCFRO/?src=rss Who has the top farm system now, the Braves or White Sox?

Who is the best pitcher the Braves could have offered? Allard or Soroka? Anderson? Don't know their system very well...and obviously not considering anyone (Newcomb) on their current big league roster. So there's basically no way to combine Albies with any of those pitchers and beat the Cubs' package, unless they added a third fairly significant piece (like the Sale deal) to the package.

No similar bill has ever passed in a similar situation where the previous legislation has/had 50% (thereabouts) support and the replacement/alternative is hovering between 15-25% depending on which polling you look at. It's unprecedented. Tax reform would have been easier. There's just no way it passes. Political suicide....for the governors as well. They'll get hammered too, guilt by association when their state Medicaid markets and individual markets begin to fail.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) FWIW, Otani just made his season debut last Wednesday and got shelled. Didn't get out of the 2nd inning. He was visibly frustrated and was missing his spots bu 12+ inches at times. The stuff looked sharp and the velo was fine -- I think it was pretty clearly rust. But it'll be interesting to see if he can regain full form before the end of the season, and if he doesn't, if it means he waits another year. Passan was talking about Otani on the radio today....that there really wasn't a comp and that he's basically the biggest free agent asset (theoretically) on the market in the history of the Japanese Professional League, due to his being a fascinating legit combined hitter and pitcher, and due to his age, his power/velocity combination, and the overwhelming hype since an early age and naturally mentioned Dice K, Tanaka, Darvish, Nomo as well.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 04:59 PM) They don't play in the same league, they don't share the same fans. They play six times a year, and VERY rarely are both teams good during the same season. The Cubs seasons have no bearing on the White Sox (not withstanding this latest trade ) When the Sox are actually competitive, I give the Cubs very little thought aside from the six times the Sox play them. I can't say that about the Twins, Indians, Tigers, etc. 4 times now?

The Braves have been sniffing around Q since this past offseason. Would the White Sox have been better off with Acuna/Maitan/Albies? Maybe, but the Braves weren't going to give up that type of package, regardless. Maitan's so far away, and the bust rate so much higher (compared to Robert/Moncada/Jimenez), well...it would have been a much riskier proposition for Hahn's GM longevity. With Albies, he feels a BIT superfluous unless we start missing with Anderson, Moncada, etc. Even then, Yolmer or Leury could do a fairly decent impression, although obviously lacking that type of upside. Kind of like another version of Baez, with less power and more speed. If the Braves wanted to throw a bunch of pitching prospects at us, that probably wouldn't end up working in our favor because ATL usually is such an excellent evaluation of their own talent, which ones to hold onto and which ones are expendable and at peak value in the minors.