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Where would Tatis rank in our current Top Ten? The worst part is SS/3B is one of our biggest areas of need if Burger and Tim Anderson can't stick at those positions defensively. Still think with that size he eventually ends up over at third like his dad. Would have been almost like getting Devers, too...one way to look at it. That said, it proves we at least successfully identified a very young Latin American prospect. But then turn around and underestimate their value, especially with Preller, the biggest expert on Latin American ballplayers out there. Just the initial ask should have been a huge red flag. But let's see how he handles Advanced A ball before putting him in that elite prospect status just yet.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-compensat...-155138676.html The Canadian one certainly is....ex Gitmo prisoner receives $7 million settlement from the Canadian government. "Meet Canada's newest multi-millionaire – Omar Khadr," said the Conservatives as they unveiled a protest petition. Tony Clement, the Conservative Party's public safety spokesman, said "it is one thing to acknowledge alleged mistreatment, but it is wrong to lavishly reward a convicted terrorist who murdered an allied soldier who had a wife and two children". Khadr spent a decade in Guantanamo before being returned to Canada in 2012 to serve the rest of his sentence. He was released on bail in 2015 and lives in Edmonton, Alberta. The Canadian government and Khadr's lawyers agreed on the compensation deal, said the sources, who asked to remain anonymous given the sensitivity. Canada has reached a series of expensive settlements with citizens imprisoned abroad who alleged Ottawa was complicit in their mistreatment.

http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2014/09...other-prospect/ http://www.espn.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post...e-unpredictable More about propensity for bunting and applying unconventional strategies http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colum...222-column.html Relationship between Bud Black, Maddon, Renteria in wake of firing by Cubs

https://www.c-span.org/video/?430879-3/wash...m&start=431 Starts at 7 minute mark. What, if any, should be the government's role in protecting/ensuring the American Dream? Do African Americans have an equal opportunity to achieve it?

Will Rick Hahn still be the general manager the next time the White Sox make it back to the playoffs? Who get there first, the Mariners, Padres or Sox (only two teams with longer droughts of no post season play)???

Bubba Starling had 478 and now 687 ops numbers the last two go-arounds in AAA. No thanks. 30% k rate, only 20 walks in 400+ at bats and just 8 homers. No, no, no. At any rate, the Royals and Twins could really use some help, but that's even more illogical than dealing with the Cubs unless you're talking guys like Frazier, Cabrera, Swarzak and perhaps Robertson (a lot of money would have to change hands and a big time prospect would have to go to the Sox in return since those clubs are financially strapped.)

Alone in 6th...

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...=&players=0 Still 21st in fWAR, last debacle including two runs on the Lucroy blooper against Swarzak didn't hurt him that much. 4.07 fip, 4.21 xfip For the moment, no way the Royals trade everyone just 1 1/2 gb and tied with the Twins....so Vargas and Moustakas and Herrera being unavailable helps Q, Frazier and Robertson to a large extent. Shark is expensive and more of a 3 than a 2, at his best. The wild card here continues to be Yu Darvish as an impending FA, and Verlander for rich teams who'd rather take on a big contract than lose top prospects.

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47 Meters Down 3.25 stars After the Storm (Japanese) 3.75 War Machine (Brad Pitt channeling Gen. Stanley McChrystal/Rolling Stone interview) 4/4. Excellent.

Kanhle's value has dipped from our perception of peak...so unless they're 100% sold on Burdi and Jones making it back, feel like they're going to roll the dice and hold onto without an overpay (which invariably goes to the veteran/experienced guy in these situations.)

Saladino out of game already. Lopez looks like the best bet for first starter up.

Concentrating on offense? We're good at rationalizing lots of performance issues. Everyone is rushed, unless they're not, like Hansen or Dunning. Kopech really scuffling these past few starts. Dead arm? Innings limit? Going to have to be extra careful with him, maybe skip a start at some point. 5 1 5 2 4 earned runs his last five times out. Only one earned run there due to passed ball. 75 innings now. On pace for 125ish. Overall, ip/h and k numbers are great, but 49 walks and all those wild pitches.

Although unless they're ready to give Leury everyday CF play, Yoan's value is highest in CF. That said, Engel and Leury are miles ahead of Moncada now (defensively), and elite defense from him is hard to project. Maybe he won't have good instincts/quick jumps/proper routes. Seems injury risk in CF is higher as well.

The same thing happened last year in May and June with our pen after being overworked and difficult schedule with few offdays...Albers has held up much better this year.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) Error #11 for Moncada. And CS #5.

Yeah, Kanhle's FB was definitely 1-2 mph slower...were fouling it off rather than swinging through it. Seemed a bit tired, like he was muscling them up to the plate.

And it's not about having no right to offer a dissenting opinion... It would be better to have specific player/decision-related arguments rather than a generic template of complaints. Say you believe Luis Robert will be a bust and waste of $50 million and why...this is more typical of GreenSox posts. Nobody is happy when their favorite team is nearly irrelevant. I lived in KC for ten years when Royals fans would wear paper bags over their heads and have mass protests whenever the Yankees came to town...but nothing changed until they started making soundcdraft picks and shrewd trades. But it's not like David Glass felt any pressure to sell the team when profitability as well as franchise value were skyrocketing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 06:59 AM) This thread is about team attendance, and therefore the spectrum of opinion can and should be expected to cover a wide range of views. From the excitement of following players this year like Avi, Jose, Yolmer, Kahnle, etc., who have given some reason to pay attention to this last place team, all the way to the frustration with an owner and his management team who have now brought us the fifth summer in a row of completely meaningless baseball in the middle of the summer. A thread like this will cover the whole gamete. To give this some further context, we the fans have not had a reason to get truly excited about a competitive White Sox team since Obama's first term, and the team has not made it to the postseason since George W.'s second term. There's your reason for the "doomsday" posts. Fix that and those posts go away, or at least decrease dramatically. Tigers, gamut

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 07:32 AM) Good work. The 2nd half I'd like to see more straight steal attempts especially with 2 outs from Anderson, Hanson, Leury especially ( Sanchez not so much ) I mean it's a rebuild year let them take their base stealing lumps now . They may even learn a few things.. Moncada whenever he comes up. That's a lot of speed and each guy should be capable of the 75% minimum steal rate. There's no reason the Sox as a team can't steal more than 100 bases . I know the steal is #2 to the bunt in ancient baseball tactics but it can get that extra base or 2 without giving up the out. The one weapon KC had that was unstoppable was Dyson or Gore pinch running late in a close game. It was almost an automatic run with 0 or 1 out. At least against the Sox. That's the primary reason I want Dyson...because he will be cheaper (than Cain), can play all three spots and his age (32 next year) and overall wear and tear will depress his value somewhat despite the fact he will be a 3-5 fWAR player by the end of this year. We haven't had that type of threat since Pods in the first half of 2005 before he got injured. The rest of the team can follow his cue, and foster an aggressive baserunning mentality for Moncada, Leury, Hanson, Engel, Anderson, etc. We will never have the high contact rates, nor a team of Gold Glovers, but the other area is the lockdown bullpen. Hochevar, Herrera, Wade Davis and Holland, paired with Collins as the lefty, that was a nasty pen in 2014/15. Hopefully Kahnle, Jones, Burdi, Beck, Fulmer and maybe Lopez/Guerrero/Adams/Danish can have a similar amount of success in 1-2 inning bursts.

Saladino played last night for Charlotte, Leury is working out in AZ.

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QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 4, 2017 -> 12:11 AM) Yeah if they've got something with him better to get him even more PA, I know hes split time between SS & 2B and some 3B I would love for them to ship him to AA and start him everyday at SS. If he continues his hitting ways at AA he could land at AAA at the start of '18 and be right on curve age wise (24). That'd be a nice get for a round 22 pick and the scout that recommended him. And bench/dump our Olympian speed skater or push him up to Charlotte when he's struggled pretty much the entire season offensively?

I think I figured it out tonight. Renteria simply wants all the young players to buy into the concept of sacrificing for each other...always trying to advance the runner (Did you do your job or not?) and moving the line one batter at a time. Could be a one run lead, or 3-5 runs like tonight. Team over individual results, camaraderie, chemistry, etc. They seem to be buying into Steverson's approach now as well, they're working together instead of going up to the plate without a plan of what they're trying to accomplish like for much of the Ventura regime. Realistically, this team should be 2 games under .500, but we've been killed by our defense and all those unearned runs and mostly plays not made (double plays not finished, for example.) Going forward, that's the biggest concern organizationally (along with OBP and starting pitching development), and removing Melky Cabrera from the roster will be a first big step in the right direction. In my idea, it feels like we're trying to create a hybrid of the Cubs, Indians and Royals. Future elite pen. Check. Speed and athleticism. Check. Moncada, Robert, Adolfo, Engel, Tim Anderson, Leury, Yolmer Sanchez, Willy Garcia, Saladino, Hanson. OBP/contact...addressed last two drafts, hopefully. Defense, ummmm....not yet. Versatility...the examples are guys like Jose Ramirez, Josh Harrison, Zobrist, Baez, Whit Merrifield. The Sox players above have many of these qualities already, particularly Leury, but Moncada and Anderson should as well. (Of course, in this lively ball era, you also can't afford to carry a guy like Tilson who has no power playing 81 home games at Guaranteed Rate.) In the end, I don't think we're as far off as some here. This is a .500 team in 2018, quite easily. Get the best possible draft pick for 2018, but don't go out of the way to hold players back if they're truly ready. If for no other reason than Detroit and KC being terrible next year, and that representing nearly 40% of the schedule. They might need an anchor for their defense during this transition period. Unsurprisingly, I would pick Dyson (cheaper version) or Cain on three year deals and change the team's mindset by having an elite defender with World Series experience in CF. At any rate, by this October 1st they'll know a lot more about what they have in Engel and Leury. Maybe they logically then decide those guys are good enough to be part of the long-term plan and no further move is needed. Somehow, they also need to convince Abreu or Avi to DH. That potentially gives Asche and Delmonico a shot at first. Maybe Avi's traded? Then they eventually need to find an elite defender at catcher to back up Collins 2-3 years from now...trade deadline, someone like Severino with the Nats. Offense isn't as critical if Collins realizes his potential. 2018 LF Engel/W.Garcia/Asche CF Leury Garcia/Engel RF Willy Garcia/Asche/Hanson 3B Davidson/Y. Sanchez SS Anderson/L.Garcia 2B Moncada/Yolmer/Hanson 1B Avi Garcia/Davidson DH Abreu This would block Delmonico and Saladino, but dramatically improve the overall defense...perhaps Saladino stays and Hanson goes? You'd have three CFers in the outfield (well, Willy's pushing it). Avi's a lot more athletic than Abreu, but obviously that idea might not work. Certainly a good sized target over there, though.

Greg, what can complaining about the rebuild actually accomplish? I post all the time in the Filibuster now, but have no illusion it really makes one iota of difference. More for self-preservation of sanity, lol. But is there any sense in having the same arguments day after day? Thad, myself, Balta...were pretty critical the last 3-4 years, but I would go bonkers tilting at windmills like Don Quixote and obsessing about every single Chris Sale start or Giolito/Fulmer/Collins struggle. Nobody can force Reinsdorf to sell the team when it's value increases on a yearly basis no matter how well the team is led. A rising tide floats all boats, and that's the case in MLB today. Focus on the positives, like winning a recruiting war with the Cardinals for Luis Robert.