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Do we have an emoji/icon available with a Sox fan holding his head down in shame/humiliation/embarrassment?

Wonder how many predatory lending cases/lawsuits they've been involved in...ala Countrywide? So US Cellular was paying this same amount as G Rate will and not even in the Chicago market any longer and yet the best they could do was maintain the amount they were paid years ago, with essentially no allowance for inflation...so actually the amount they're making is decreasing into the future? Sounds about right. And we're magically going to more than double our broadcast rights fees? Between the negative associations with rape/Southside and the down arrow....how does Boyer keep his job? Unless the White Sox are in first place or ERA is lowest....their dowtrending overall record, off field nonsense or James Shields' latest ERA will all be fodder for showing a video highlight with that stupid down error. It's almost kind of genius for sponsors to get additional exposure....surprised it wasn't Ryan Lochte Field the way things are going. Can they do a further subcontract to Tony the Tiger, and Kellogg's? They're gggggggggg-rate!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 05:19 AM) No. It shows the way you wanted him wasn't availalable. When you were constantly told he won't make it to June you stayed the course. $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and his -1.3 WAR. Of course you keep popping off about Finnegan and his -0.2 WAR, so you have a thing for below replacement players. At least Latos put up a 0.0 for the $10 million you would have given him. And no Shields didn't cost more than those guys combined. You are lying again Donald. So it's somehow my fault the White Sox spent four times as much on James Shields...and missed out on getting back another compensation pick in 2017? They're not going to get anything back for Shields...hopefully you're taking that into consideration. If you go through that thread, I probably spent 1-2% of it on Parra and Latos and 98% of the time talking about Desmond. The way I wanted him was the only conceivable way the White Sox were going to get him...remember back then? They were only willing to give up to three years on Alex Gordon (which you wholeheartedly endorsed while I was tepid at best on that move, despite my appreciation for what he has previously accomplished), Cespedes and Upton, who wasn't even interested in the Sox. We can't be 100% sure or not whether they were willing to surrender the pick for Fowler, which would have been another positive move. If you add my $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and the money the Rangers paid Desmond (minus another $2 million saved on their bonus pool), that would be $24 million for those three vs. $27 million for the James Shields commitment...and they would have even gotten a draft pick back for Desmond in 2017. Where does Carlos Rodon rank in WAR? Where does Mr. Duffy? Do you want to explain all your quotes throughout the years ripping him when they couldn't have been more off base had you thrown darts against a wall in order to determine which players to sign. Actually, the White Sox would be better off just making one of those prize barrels from The Bozo Show and just picking three to five random free agent names every year and allocating whatever was the agreed upon money....like putting the same amount of money into a mutual fund the 15th of the month regardless of market conditions.

Do we still control Turner's rights next season? Arbitration? Might as well try to see what Nate Jones can bring back in trade.

It has to happen next July....because of Frazier, Cabrera, Lawrie and probably the best remaining opportunity to get Robertson off the books.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97876 Just read the first post in this thread you started, without hindsight of course. And read the entire thread. It has your offer of $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and $10 million for Desmond in June. You were told several times Desmomd wouldn't be around in June, but you stuck with it. You say Hahn was scared, looks like you were too. So I was off by $2 million on Desmond. Wow. I overvalued him slightly, whereas there there less than five in that thread who wanted ANYTHING to do with him at all. Did Latos' agent send me his medical records that you know of? Pretty hard to know exactly what you're getting without opening the hood and seeing exactly what's left of the engine in order to make a legitimate bid. Parra signed three years for $27.5 million and an additional option for 2019, so I was close on that one as well. So basically it's my fault when I was predicting what the White Sox would do...which was not offer Desmond because they weren't willing to give up that precious draft pick that you keep saying has a negligible value in terms of career WAR from the #26 spot. You don't say anything about my assessment of him as an outfielder or all of the many pluses I mentioned consistently throughout. You're so consumed proving I was wrong on a technicality because he didn't make it to Jone, which actually proves my point is that he was a bargain that interested a number of well-run teams who can properly define "plus or added value." And Matt Latos alone was still able to contribute a lot more meaningful wins to the Sox than someone who costs more than Parra/Austin Jackson, Latos and Ian Desmond combined in James Shields...brilliant.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 09:35 PM) Yet, his FIP and ERA+ say otherwise. So how have the White Sox missed on so many of their appraisals??? Dunn in 2011, it's fair to say he came fairly close to earning his money the rest of those years, especially 2012, but never got past 2011 nightmare LaRoche Bonifacio Beckham Cabrera earned his money this year, but was a major contributor to the terrible start in 2015 Robertson...well-documented Duke Basically all of the free agents this past offseason have been fair to middling. Navarro has been terrible, and Avila (predictably) hurt and not much better. Jackson hurt, and was in the mid 600's for OPS, so basically replacement level. Rollins and Latos (probably the best bargain in terms of money spent for wins gained). Morneau has been fine, but we won't get anything in return for him and he's actually blocking Coats or Garcia from playing, if they do actually plan to go into next season with one or both on the roster. Not to mention Jacob Turner. The previous class, you have Abreu, and lots of MEH. Other than picking up Jennings, Putnam and Gonzalez, it has been one disaster after another. To this day, I still don't understand why they keep trotting out Matt Albers to the mound. We played Alexei (who is even worse in 2016) down the stretch in 2015 instead of Saladino, and have been playing Navarro a lot when he's been one of the worst players in all of MLB. Not to mention all those names like Kelly Downs and Paulino...you simply can't be 1/15 or 1/20 getting "surplus value" out of free agents and expect to be competitive when you have a bottom quartile farm system during that same time period.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 04:42 PM) No. You would be calling for Hahn's law degree. But kings of Chicago. Hindsight is great. With a few hiccups like not understanding guys with stress fractures of their ribs can't help your bullpen, even you can figure out "what should have been done." Without it, you make these guys look like geniuses. If you use WAR to determine a players worth, your idea of Gerrardo Parra for $8 million wouldn't work out. WAR wise he would be the worst player on the White Sox. He would blow Avi away. I would still take any of those moves over James Shields. Because the payroll impact wouldn't be carrying over into next season. And obviously we're the anti-Kings of Chicago now with people paid millions of dollars to get these things right. Even when they're consistently wrong, they still get to keep their jobs, mystifyingly. And almost nobody bought that Ian Desmond would have any value as an outfielder coming into this season (bring up the thread where I have literally 100 posts saying we should pursue him, before this season)...I was wrong that the White Sox would still be able to sign him in June, but that's because you have a good GM and manager in Texas who actually know what they're doing and how to assess talent. They also don't have to get caught up in preserving supplemental draft picks when they have an already established minor league talent pipeline. Hahn was too afraid Desmond wouldn't work out and there would be nothing left to show for the Shark deal. Glad you don't work for the Sox...because you said over and over again how terrible Danny Duffy is but that we should sign Alex Gordon. Lovely. I will give you credit for one thing. You finally manned up and admitted Semien has been decent instead of continuing to recite his error totals the first half of last season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) Rick Hahn was very popular here when all those moves were made. When they failed, they became KW moves. In fact, the one poster who rips all these moves the most, and tells you what should have happened, went one farther. He loved all these moves so much, he said Hahn and KW would be kings of Chicago if they could then complete their offseason and land Matt Kemp. Hahn does still enjoy back up QB status with many. But he does hold some responsibility for all these moves. If he has nothing to do with it but go to the media and explain the reasoning for making them, he should have done the honorable thing and quit his job. Even Matt Kemp with money coming back the other way would have been a much better move for that theoretical offense than James Shields, as/when Danks and Latos were both putting up much better numbers in the rotation.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) The irony is of course that after Samardjiza's worst season ever, he got a huge contract, and has been pretty good this year. Of course if you looked at his stats, you would know that his FIP last year with 3/4 of a full run better than his ERA, meaning that statistically he wasn't a bad pitcher, just extremely unlucky. This year his ERA is very close to his FIP, and there you go. An ERA well into the 4's is good in SF? Cueto's been much better. Of course, many local/regional fans bought into this idea Shark's a Cy Young guy too, but the results have never measured up to the hype.

The crazy thing is that when he was supposedly pitching well, he had a completely unsustainable stretch of 0 for 32 against with RISP. When you look at his Sox numbers and consider that, it's almost unfathomable how much worse the numbers could actually be.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 09:01 AM) You said Montas would have been very helpful. You love to make stuff up. He probably can't even help carry equipment. Semien was a trade that had to be made. Your words. Just clarify how Montas would have been helpful this year. The answer isn't Marcus Semien or Ubaldo Jimenez or Gordon Beckham or Robin Ventura is a HOF manager. You just blasted KW for mentioning a couple of bullpen pieces that got hurt. Now you are saying a guy who has been hurt all year would have been very helpful if they had not traded him. Make sense of it. So now you're assuming his season would have unfolded exactly the same way under Herm Schneider? How can you know that? Why didn't the Dodgers when they did his physical? At any rate, you're much more entertaining when you point out how terrible Danny Duffy is or how Brandon Finnegan should be banished to the bullpen (with a similar stat line to Carlos Rodon), so of course he gives up zero runs in his last start and Duffy's another month away from pushing into the Cy Young Top 5. Greg-like.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 08:50 AM) Montas would have helped a ton this year. What idiots for getting rid of him. He's had an unbelievable year. Hahn should get a prize for selling damaged goods? It's not like Frazier has led us to the playoffs. Marcus Semien has put up similar numbers at a tougher position for a fraction of the cost. And it's not even 100% a sure thing we will offer him a QO after next season if he hits below .200.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) The big problem we have had this year is so many short starts by starters forcing extremely long bullpen outings, which fries our pen for long periods of time. Post injuries to Putnam and Petricka, we have also forced our top guys to throw more often, and longer than usual. For example, Nate Jones has at least 17 appearances where he has appeared more than one IP out of the 58 times he has pitched. 6 of his last 13 appearances have been >1 IP. You want to know why Nate Jones hasn't been sharp? There you go. The 2012 team found a way around that problem by bringing up 10+ rookies. Needless to say, this year's rookie class has come up woefully short and/or has failed to gain the trust of Ventura. We've gone a full year and still haven't produced one reliable pen arm, with the possible exception of Burdi. Duke, Jennings, Ynoa, Kahnle, Putnam, Turner, Ranaudo, etc., all came from other organizations. Danish, Beck and Fulmer all have struggled mightily. Montas would have been very helpful there.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 08:36 AM) The fans of the team that lost the world series. Because they knew during game 1, they had a better chance at winning a championship than 28 other teams. Not the mention the attendance boost teams get when they go deep into the playoffs. I'll taking making the playoffs and everything that goes with it (being in contention and playing meaningful games late in the season, the fun of watching my team play in October while everyone else is at home) vs the past few crap seasons we've had with very little to look forward to any year. Not to mention getting there once and coming up short can often serve as a springboard to even more success the following season...just like teams who win can become complacent and rest on their laurels just as easily.

I'm shocked neither of them has battled to take credit for Eaton, Q, Sale or Tim Anderson...those are the only big feathers in the proverbial cap the last five years or so. Abreu was clearly scouted by KW and Paddy directly...on multiple occasions. Rodon, at the time, with Aiken and Kolek selected....seemed to be a no-brainer. I doubt even the Cubs would have picked Schwarber there.

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...get-it-together This is reassuring. KW: We'll get it together. So basically, the injuries to Petricka and Putnam were enough to blow up the entire season...that's about as lame as Hawk saying the lack of offdays early burned out Albers and Robertson.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 22, 2016 -> 10:49 PM) Girl I went to college with on FB is volunteer bartending at some Sox event tonight. She said she has no clue of any of the people/players or even how baseball works. Pretty much all us guys are jealous and then she replies to one of the guys "Thanks haha do you know Ken Williams? Cus he is currently at my bar." That might be the ONLY way to get them into "lockstep" before this off-season. Force them to go out and get liquored up every night together until they come up with a coherent AND cohesive plan which they both agree with...since they are supposedly entering the dreaded YEAR 3, and yet there are no signs anything will change, other than the manager, possibly.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 22, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) Dodgers trying to "give away" Puig but nobody wants him. He's hitting over .400 in AAA and was over .300 in his last 30 MLB games Source? Did he pass through waivers without a claim? He has $14 million left on his contract the next two years...and even one arbitration year, and no team will take that on?

http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/8/22/1258...office-problems And who's responsible for the current front office dysfunction and all the recent leaks (Heyman/Kaplan) and comments from JR about them being in "lockstep" going into the offseason...interestingly, fans over at SSS blame Reinsdorf 46%, KW 39% and Hahn only 4%, which doesn't quite make any sense. Ventura was in between KW and Hahn at 11% "blame." Goes on from about the 10-12 minute mark until 46-47 minutes in...really agree with almost everything Margalus and Nelson had to say.

1/4th of the season left to go and no game thread? Is the US-Serbia game really that compelling?

Altuve, Betts and Donaldson would disagree...Machado and Arenado would have their backers, as well.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Aug 20, 2016 -> 04:55 AM) More like 60% Jerry, assuming Comcast had an equal share in 2005. And why do you insist that team performance has anything to do with tv contract? The Astros got 75 million when they were losing 100 games regularly. The Padres got 65 million when they are the padres. And of course the Angels get 125 million despite their s***ty ratings(which the sox are below in 2015, but the angels have historically drawn poorly on tv). The only difference is the Astros had the best farm system in baseball as thry entered that new deal. They weren't expected to make the playoffs until 2016, they actually made it one year early. The Angels seemed like they would be a contender every season and had the best young player in the history of baseball...

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 20, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Every bad team needs a James Shields. Well, he's a lot cheaper than Shields or Nolasco at least. Whether he's worth Alex Meyer too, we'll just have to wait and see.

Hector Santiago was 6-0 with a 1.76 era last month with the Angels. Now with the Twins, he's literally throwing batting practice to every opponent. Could never get around that inconsistency.