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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) No the John Danks mention makes no sense because guess who was 1 year away from free agency when he signed an extension? Don't sign pitchers to extensions until one year before the become free agents or else you will have a John Danks situation. You know, the guy that signed an extension one year before he became a free agent. Caulfied ripping the White Sox with made up facts, take 10,156. And your point that Quintana and Sale are great bargains and will never get injured, therefore disproving Olney...right? How can you possibly argue that until they both successfully reach the end of their 5th season as starters? I suppose you're also a fortune teller? You can't even answer a simple question about how much you would limit your offer to Dexter Fowler to after spending the last 2-3 weeks hyping his addition every single day. Now why is that?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) Just looked over his stats the past few years and you're right. Good OBP, decent power, won't kill you in the OF. $36.5 million over the next two years isn't terrible. We can probably get him for almost nothing as well, considering it's more or less a salary dump. For that price, just sign the much younger everyday player in Upton. And, if he's sitting against lefties with that salary, it's almost like paying him $24-25 million. We had the same problem with Cabrera last year as well. A Thome-like subsidy to cut his contract down to $12-14 million, it starts to make more sense.

So, 2002...he did well for about a month or so, it was pretty exciting until it became apparent he was a shadow of the former player in CLE and a negative clubhouse presence to boot.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 09:06 AM) Yes it did. And nothing that guy says ever makes much sense. Ummmm....Buster Olney said it, so he doesn't make sense. Once again, he's attributing someone else's words, but I doubt he even took the time to read what Olney wrote in the first place without jumping to conclusions. Go back to the original article and read the third paragraph. I never once brought up Sale and Quintana, and neither did Olney. The Sox mistake with John Danks is a lot closer to the situation he wrote that paragraph about...in terms of risk-aversion with pitchers at that point in their careers. But then that would make a strong argument against Olney. Read post #9 and explain how that has anything to do with what Olney said....it's strawman stuff.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:21 AM) Sox f***ed up giving Sale and Q long term extensions. The point is to avoid situations like the Danks contract that hamstring payroll flexibility. But I'm sure you will still argue we got our money's worth, nevertheless.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:05 AM) It is an insider article. I can't. In the free section that's the teaser...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Protests over the scoreboard? You can't seriously think that is even a possibility. I was joking. I doubt there will even be anything too controversial about the state of the roster...some meathead fans will ask questions in the wrong tone and get embarrassed.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) I'd wouldn't give him what the Royals gave Ian Kennedy, even though he's a better player. It isn't my money being spent so I really don't care what they give him, but I really doubt he averages anywhere near $15 million a year. If they are saying he should have taken the QO, his offers must be significantly lower than that. He's unlikely to average $16 million per year for a two or three year pact, that's pushing it. The questioning was on why not to take one year at $15.8 million and then go back into a slim FA class next year. Put up huge numbers as a complementary piece in that more experienced offense in 2016 and it will make you look better than you really are in actuality.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:30 AM) No chance. That draft pick is worth what, like $10-$15 million on the open market? That's why he isn't signed. Fowler came into the offseason looking at a 4 year $60 million deal. That QO completely saps his value. He should have accepted the QO. I'd say a 3 year deal would be in the $38-$42 million range and a 2 year $24-$28 million would be possible. Denard Span got $31 over 3 years with no QO attached. But Span had an injury-marred year, had overhanging concerns in that area (hence the online video and planned public workout) and is older, right? Whereas Fowler performed much better last season. At any rate, I hope we drive up the contract for the Cubs instead of falling victim to desperation and overpaying.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:21 AM) If Harper is projected to get 14/407, what do you guys think that Trout will get? 16/500? Look at Harper's age now, the year 2018 and when Trout will become a free agent (after 2020)...it's going to be closer to 12-13 years than 16 imo. And there's no telling how much wear and tear he will have on his body at that point. One of the other key notes is never to give a pitcher a long-term extension in general, and not until they're one year away from free agency to mitigate against injury risk.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 06:18 AM) 3 of the last 4 years Fowler has put up a better WAR than CarGo. Including CarGo's 40 homer season in 2015. What's the highest salary you would have the White Sox pay him for one, two and three years? Would you stop at three or go to four? How close would you be willing to go to $68-72 million?

Read the last paragraph...

Just what the White Sox need right now...public funds use/tax protests at Sox Fest and Opening Day. It would be kind of fitting if nobody significant is added to the roster between now and then.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:00 AM) And not accusing the Tigers of tampering with/through the scoreboard...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 01:34 AM) Thank u caulfield for posting. I do appreciate it! Now my statement: Many of you think Greg is a clown or even worse, a moron, but you have to admit that article touched on some of the reasons I don't like Ms. Clinton. In other words, I am not the only one thinking these things. Folks, is it so hard for us, as a nation, to put the Clintons behind us? They have money; they'll be fine. Let's just have a Bernie Sanders/Cruz fight for the oval office and call it a day. If you want a modern day combination of Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson, Cruz is your guy. You get the cocky smirk thrown in for free. More than likely, if Hillary loses both Iowa and NH, you get Michael Bloomberg joining the race as an independent.

Or not tipping pitches...

Filipina for a girl...btw. Or Pinay.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 03:02 AM) Did you know Fowler is 25th among all active players in OBP according to baseball-reference and is based upon their parameters of 3000PA or 500 games played? Did you also know that every player higher than him on that list has had a 20+ HR season before? Every player on the list outside of Joe Mauer are still legit threats to hit 20+ HR a year still. Fowler is very elite OBP guy and considering nearly everyone ahead of him has the benefit of being pitched around due to their big time power. He has really elite OBP skills for not being a power hitter. Does that make him worth the risk of losing a comp pick? I say yes! The White Sox are in "win now" mode. They need help immediately. They need more guys who provide positive WAR. Fowler is a guy who can do that. The player they could choose around 28th overall will not be ready to help this "win now" team most likely. If they trade for someone like a CarGo, prospects are leaving regardless. Whether they be in the system now for someone like CarGo or via this comp pick for Fowler. Even if they stand pat and go with Avi in RF, they will still need to move prospects at the trade deadline to bolster the deficiencies of the roster provided they are still in the race. Either way you look at it, the farm system will take a hit, providing they are a good team this year. Only way the farm system improves is if this team makes no moves at all, falls flat on it's face the first 3 months and then we are out selling off pieces to get prospects in return, but that clearly isn't the goal. I think they do themselves a much greater good by starting with a more elite team now, rather than a wait and see approach. I think if they had $20 million a year for Cespedes, it can be divided up to get Fowler and get a rebound SP candidate, like Latos. It helps in multiple areas and this team needs more pieces then currently constructed to make a serious run at the playoffs. Interesting stat find. One thing is for sure, talent and wins will do more for this franchise than high-tech scoreboards. Heck, there are probably traditionalists who want to bring back the board from Old Comiskey.

Well, it seems the White Sox definitely need a plastic surgery clinic sponsor to go with the Village of Bedford Park...

https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view...amp;fr2=piv-web I think I can at least partially overlook not signing Upton now....never had seen Siera Santos before now. Free pizza!

http://espn.go.com/blog/the-gms-office/insider/post?id=12072 Holy salary escalation....we're currently having a hard time justifying 1/6th of that total. Frazier comment in there as well.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 10:12 PM) Would you trade Spencer Adams for Dexter Fowler at 3/$42M? Only if I was sure as GM I would be able to add on at least $10 million in salaries for the last two months of the season...otherwise, kinda pointless to get 90-95% of the way there and then just arbitrarily stop.

Just as likely is you have to move Eaton to LF and Cabrera to RF...but that's just me. There's no ideal defensive solution.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) If you are a team like the Dodgers, Rangers or Cubs, it makes sense to say you will look at mid-season trades due to system depth. Signing players for money instead of giving up your few resources is so much smarter for the Sox. Look no further than 2012...we added Hudson, Youkilis (granted, that was unusual with Middlebrooks and that whole situation where he was forced out), Myers and Liriano for basically Eduardo Escobar. The White Sox should theoretically be in that position (if they don't add significantly to payroll now) where they can add veterans like a CarGo or Ethier but have already "saved" the first 3-4 months of their salaries. As far as trading away key prospects, yeah...that doesn't look as likely, but you never know who will emerge in the first 2-3 months of the season and become desirable to other teams' scouts.

Reading the tea leaves of Merkin and Harrelson's recent comments, betting money would be on "no." Still, it seems, as you stated, very tone deaf to the prevailing mood in the fanbase at the moment. Despondent is not quite the right word, but frustrated is closer. As you also stated, they're not dumb. So forcing a move right now, just to fit it into the PR storyline of Sox Fest...that's almost always going to work out short-term smart but long-term stupid. After everything that went down with the Big 3, unless there's any compelling evidence to the contrary...we're going to have to take the word of KW and Hahn that the right deals were not out there at the moment, and that the team considered all the possibilities and felt waiting until mid-season was the right move, with all the attendant risks of getting buried in April and May and having another lost/development season. Nobody will like that answer...we heard it basically when nothing happened one way or the other last trade deadline.