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Cubs/White Sox trade podcast http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/cubs...954TXtAbxXA4.97

Jimenez, Russell, Candelario for Q, Kahnle, Swarzak, Shields (or Holland, or MiGo) AND Leury or Yolmer... Best I can come up with. Five for three. Megadeal that would shake NL Central to the core. Push the Brewers or Cards to match...?

Between Rodgers and Jimenez, who would you take first? SS and catcher are so key. We obviously can't get Turner, Seager, Correa, Lindor, etc. And Dansby Swanson has been a disaster this year, just like Timmy Anderson. Same with Bregman. Well, disappointing, at the very least. Tatis, Jr., haha? Russell and Baez are the obvious names. To get Jimenez and one of those two, who else do you give the Cubs? Kahnle? Swarzak? Holland? MiGo? Shields, writing off almost all of his remaining salary? Obvious Maddon connection there. Seems impossible to also get Candelario too, biting off a bit much.

Donald Trump Jr., Sub-Master of the Universe https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-jr-...-090031185.html

Over with the Cubs' rivalry. Deal away, roll the dice on Jimenez, Moncada, Robert and Adolfo.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&page=2_30 How many recent (last 18 month) top prospects, other than Judge, have lived up to their billing? Aaron Altherr was on nobody's radar. Chris Taylor? Schebler? Where the heck did those two come from? Maybe only Bellinger, Conforto, Sano, Trea Turner (injured), Inciarte...#26-30 on first page screen. Lesson, the Yankees and Dodgers know what they're doing? Be more careful with the Astros' prospects? The Reds know how to spot catchers/position prospects??

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:22 AM) I'm still glad we didn't go down that route. Profar and Odor disasters...Mazara not on the table, supposedly.

Would anyone argue Aaron Judge was completely unavailable this past offseason despite his poor results last year? Or Joey Gallo, for example?

NRA, haha....unless MRA is a real group.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 06:33 AM) I was looking at the same thing yesterday night...heck, I would probably even take Dubon if I could get Brinson and Hader. We could really use a LHP coming back. Chris Dubon? Duke?

I want to thank the mods for not banning me once, despite, in the words of another poster, being the second most notorious to Greg, lol... They have a soft spot for Iowa alumni, haha. Plus I talk $&@$ but not about poop directly. Joking!!! Witesoxfan is a fair mod, that said, we've had plenty of gay bar history with Dave Wilder already. That particular club was Burn in Phoenix. He still owes Orlando, Gomes and Silverio.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 08:37 AM) Especially since we know Gary Hart was negotiating nuclear arms with the Soviets in the 80's as a Presidential candidate, and nothing came of it. And he had time for an affair simultaneously...Donna Rice? Talk about multi-tasking!

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) My Plan. Trade Avi Garcia, Tommy Kahlne for Adrian Gonzalez, Alex Verdugo, Willie Callhoun, Will Smith and Starling Heredia. Dodgers Do It: They get to add depth to their pen which is good but struggled last year in the playoffs. Garcia would provide them with average to above average play in left field with cheap cost. Both Garcia and Kahlne are cost controlled for 2 more years. They get Adrian Gonazalez and his 22 million dollars off of there books for next year and drops them below the luxury tax. Bellinger can stay at his natural position of first base. White Sox Do It: They get 2 Top 100 players in Verdugo and Callhoun. Smith probably projects as a decent backup catcher in the future. Heredia is the flyer of the group at 18 years old you really don't know what he will end up being. White Sox have very little committed to 2018 so they could afford to have Gonzalez eating up a good portion of the team salary. Why It Wont Happen: JR is not paying that dough for a guy to sit on the bench and drink martinis. Trade David Robertson for Carter Keiboom and Jesus Luzardo. Nationals Do It: Because the Nationals need a closer and he is the best one on the market. The White Sox don't touch any of their untouchables in Robles, Soto or Fedde. White Sox Do It: Both players are a ways off from contributing but could be starters in the future. Beyond Moncada the White Sox are pretty bare when it comes to athletic infielders. Why It Won't Happen: Because people are idiots. I have seen this proposal from multiple Sox Talkers and yes this should be the price. Kieboom is not even a top 100 prospect yet. This price is more than fare. Trade Jose Quintana and Todd Frazier plus Cash to Astros for Kyle Tucker, Forest Whitley, Feudis Nova and Frambar Perez. Astros Do It: If there is one thing the Astros are lacking it would be another starter for them in the playoffs. Quintana could offer them a starter with cost control for the next 3 years after this one. Frazier makes sense as he could be an alternate to Gurriel, Bregman and Beltran. All three have underperformed this year. White Sox Do It: The White Sox get a top 15 prospect in Kyle Tucker and intriguing pitching prospect in Whitley. The other two guys are lottery tickets. Why It Won't Happen: The Astros will turn to A's for Gray that will have a lesser asking price even though it will hurt them in the playoffs. Adrian Gonzalez likely to retire...if his health issues don't improve. Would be a mini nightmare if he just soaked up payroll.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 06:11 AM) Everything he says is based on the 8 games & 20 plate appearances he had with the Red Sox. What's interesting to me is that, looking at the other hugely desired piece, Benintendi is "only" heading for a 2.5ish fwar despite the pretty gaudy offensive numbers. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&page=1_30 Guys like Inciarte, Avi, Conforto, Turner, Gallo, Domingo Santana, Gamel, Kepler...all ranked higher. Heck, even Leury Garcia is at 1.6 despite missing the last 2-3 weeks. Is this simply a case of Boston/ESPN hype being so overwhelming that nobody can be objective about him? Because he's a left fielder and not RF? I can't imagine any GM not taking Benintendi back for any of those players listed...so do we over rely on FWAR or are we too easily seduced by the East Coast hype machine? Another example, Ian Happ and Byron Buxton have almost the same value, 1 vs. 0.9. Is Happ a 2.5 guy (not bad, but far from an All Star)...(talking ROY with Bellinger in same league, really?) another example of PR and Cubs' popularity? And yet nobody in baseball would trade Happ for Buxton and live to tell about it.

What is that comment about potential Moncada defensive issues not being correctable based on? How many times have you watched him on video or in-person, just curious...? Not saying you might not be right, necessarily.

Zimmer's playing too well to trade IMO.

Garza and Suter are 3/4. Ch. Anderson and Guerra both on DL. They need pitching pretty desperately.

We're going to have to reassess how much war numbers really matter to opposing GM's if we don't get quasi ace value for Q. Even in a down year, he's STILL around 20th in fWAR, making him a TOR starter for all but about 15-18 teams. Bwar is only 1, so huge spread there...whereas he and Vargas are even at fangraphs, bwar has Vargas as 4 and second in AL to Sale, while fWAR they're both exactly 2's. Huge disparity/discrepancy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) This is an interesting factoid. Jeff Long @JeffLongBP Very impressed with Lucas Giolito so far tonight. Don't let his numbers fool you. Jon Roegele‏ @MLBPlayerAnalys Jul 8 Jon Roegele Retweeted Jeff Long Always wondered if he was rushed back after TJ surgery. Had the 4th fastest return time to same level/higher of the 400+ pros I've tracked. Ironic with how they babied Strasburg and still gambled wrong.

Holland and Swarzak...or MiGo if healthy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) It never will be it. The whole argument of modern politics isn't right versus wrong, it is me versus you. It is getting the one up on social media. It is getting the soundbyte for the masses to repost. It is getting someone to post all of the links supporting your guy and opposing the other. What that does it mean that the actual substance of what is happening is secondary to winning. With the adversarial political environment of today, this won't matter either, just like nothing else has mattered since oh, Nixon? Would Clinton have been impeached if the economy was tanking instead of skyrocketing in the late 90's? Censure seems the most likely compromise. Everything is now about scoring political points, regardless of the consequences...

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) But there is minor league help ready for third base. It's called the "Matt Davidson/Yolmer Sanchez Show", once Moncada is brought up to play second. Wouldn't you rather see what those two can possibly do to further future White Sox winning ambitions than watch Frazier saunter off into his mid-30s in a Sox uni? What good would that do for anyone? Another thing to think about which can help you with your soon-to-experience separation anxiety when they trade Frazier, is to remember that he isn't part of the Sox brain trusts' "current" plan, i.e., the "rebuilding" plan. Frazier, like Cabrera and Robertson, is a remnant of the "last" plan hatched by Williams & Hahn, i.e., the "three year" plan described to us back in 2015 to explain away that season's futility. The three year plan, as you may recall, was designed to maximize the window of opportunity provided by a solid, young core comprising the likes of Sale, Q, Abreu, Eaton, etc. Frazier was a piece brought in to accomplish the objectives of that plan. However, as we all know, the Sox brass pulled the plug on the three year plan a year and a half into it, and have since moved onto their newest adventure, the rebuild. So you see, in this case, you sort of need to throw the baby out with the bath water. No more three year plan, no more need for the veterans who were brought into try and make that particular plan work. The Shields/Tatis Jr. move was pretty much the death knell for retooling/competing transactions.

Interesting debate between Leury, Engel, Rymer Liriano (based on last month), Willy and Delmonico (perhaps)...

Holding Q would only make sense if Rodon's a 4-6 war pitcher going forward (2018-20/21). Who wants to take that bet? Nobody really has a clue right now what to expect out of him and Anderson...or Avi, for that matter, the next two years.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Okja is very solid. Not best of year but very good. Gylenhaal's overacting really knocked it out of Best Picture category, but very strong recent progress in Asian cinema. Snowpiercer, another example. "Your Name" (Kimi No Na Wa), Japanese animation, also very well-received. Set box office records all over the place. Cool soundtrack.