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So why run a franchise at all? All four teams in division positioned to bury team and it's fewer and fewer fans forever. So to would be a bust with the Sox just like he was in SD. He won't be worth his contract guaranteed. He doesn't field throw or run well.

At least that plan MIGHT work. To have a real strength and identity... like late 80s early 90s Braves. Sasaki to Sox obviously would take visionary or anti Sox thinking and risk tolerance beyond their usual conservative parameters on both Crochet and Sasaki. All failed starters thrown at the pen would take a lot of luck too. Can't waste there on veterans like recent plans.

It's quite simple. Hold Crochet (extension) and sign Roki Sasaki for whatever it takes. Hold Robert until trade value is maxxed out down the line. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/roki-sasaki-update-mlb-executives-planning-for-npb-ace-to-be-posted-this-offseason-per-report/ That gives you Sasaki Crochet Smith Thorpe and a long list of contenders for #5. Best rotation in the majors. Back end Cannon Iriarte G.Taylor Berroa Eder Bush... throw every young pitcher out there like the Sox did in the late 90s to unearth the next Buehrle over the following two seasons...if it's not already there in the form of Thorpe. Pray for a Montgomery return to health. Wolkow debut in 2026/27. Quero sticks as league average C. Have to dump Benintendi just for the sake of youngsters as a poor dead man walking role model. Get ONE league average starter out of Sosa/Gonzalez/Baldwin/Ramos. Need to fight like hell to get fWAR for bullpen defense and offense to at least around #18-22 in the majors. Obviously hit on all the trades this DDL. Finally move on from Shields and Vaughn. Easy peazy. Breezy. Etc.

Trades for Arozarena Br.Rodgers (extension OR signing HS Kim) and Winker (extension) along with keeping Crochet and Robert could have provided them a puncher's shot if almost everything broke right with pitching development and health. Sergio Santos named next manager for 2025 as of today.

Okay...so basically (Danks) Benintendi Moncada and Jimenez made the Sox gunshy to ever offer an early extension again. Where is this future core that's locked in? Where is the Sox version of Chourio or Colton Keith? All that money that could have gone to extensions is going WHERE exactly? JR's pocket. Now with the Montgomery erosion of value... yet another excuse to never offer an early extension again. Same with Vaughn and Torkelson never really peaking. Madrigal flaming out. So an early extension will go to Schultz or Grant Taylor? No way. Thorpe? What if his command goes south and he can't get it back again? Zero position prospects unless Montgomery's back heals. That only leaves Quero, essentially. He's the definition of a complementary player. And even Smith has a number of future injury red flags.

It does help the resource rich, risk taking or more foreward thinking entrepreneurial teams. Ones that for example hand out Matsumoto money or Ohtani future dollars. Glasnow, etc. So wish the Sox would at least consider Sasaki with their Pitchers First plan. They won't be swimming in that lane ever again, at least while JR is still alive.

It's why Rodon was practically destroyed. Only a $3 million commitment and no buyout or QO for $18 million on the line to protect.

George Kirby was threatening this last year...

If they'd given him a reasonable extension they would be on top of the world now. Think of all the guys like Gio Anderson Kopech Lopez Burger Vaughn they didn't consider backing. Montgomery and Crochet were the only interesting talents left to possibly invest in across the entire organization.

Summary?

Won't be a DFA. Just no way.

Top 3-4 in attendance after shedding $100 million in payroll? Owner died. RSN blew up in a way where they lost more money than practically any team in baseball. Missing two best starting pitchers, likely for the remainder of the season, as well as All Star RF?

Who designed and staffed that same development system?

The truth is, it was probably only a matter of time before Dylan Cease threw a no-hitter. Since 2021, Cease had recorded an astounding 11 starts of at least six innings with just one hit allowed. That’s the most such starts by any pitcher in baseball over that span, and only five pitchers in MLB history have recorded more in their careers: Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Justin Verlander, Bob Feller and Blake Snell, all of whom (except for Snell, who is still seeking his first) have thrown multiple no-nos. Prior to this week, Cease’s closest call had come two years ago against the Twins, when now-teammate Luis Arraez spoiled the bid with two outs in the ninth inning. On Thursday afternoon in Washington, D.C., Cease got it done. Despite an ultra-rare, mid-first-inning rain delay that put his start into question before it even began, Cease took the mound roughly 90 minutes later than expected and proceeded to deliver the outing of his life: a career-high 114 pitches across nine innings with three walks, nine strikeouts and, of course, zero hits allowed. https://sports.yahoo.com/dylan-ceases-no-hitter-marks-the-latest-high-point-in-his-ascent-with-the-padres-055159898.html

Makes me almost miss Benetti's treasure chest of Sox items.

Unprecedented again...

In honor of Deadpool...need a Sox Deadpool/Wolverine bobble, that's probably the ONLY promotion that would sell out the stadium for the remainder of the year.

Does Dylan Cease's no-hitter cap off best three-start stretch ever? - ESPN But DCINAA.

okay. misremembered his second year workload really led to tha disappointing third year and Aiken, even Kolek passing him. Some even coveted Trea Turner his Wolfpack teammate more. And that was the right call in the end.

How many 150 plus inning seasons? Just one. Look at 2017-2020. The Sox in that one 2021 season battered him as much as the NC State coach overused him his last two seasons before his draft year.

nobody in this whole thread is supporting you if haven't noticed...as of yet but there are good posters on both sides!

You're realize ur defending the worst franchise in baseball (at best bottom 4) that gave no iutsiders a chance and promised Chris Getz would hit the ground running and shave one year off the forthcoming non rebuild but retooling rebuild?

If Rodon. had a major injury in late 2021 and never made another big league start, would the Sox have even a prayer of winning that grievance?

PROPOSALS: Dodgers make two massive trades for Crochet and Robert, Jr., Fedde to Brewers and Max Scherzer to the Orioles Arozarena to ROYALS 6 deals we want to see at the MLB trade deadline: Where might Garrett Crochet, Randy Arozarena and others be headed? - Yahoo Sports Dodgers acquire LHP Garrett Crochet from the White Sox for C/1B Dalton Rushing, SS Trey Sweeney and RHP River Ryan Dodgers acquire OF Luis Robert Jr. from the White Sox for OF Josue De Paula, INF Alex Freeland, RHP Ben Casparius and LHP Ronan Kopp Brewers acquire RHP Erick Fedde from the White Sox for 3B Luke Adams and RHP Bishop Letson NINE NEW PLAYERS FOR STRUGGLING SOX FARM SYSTEM!!!

And he can respond with all the arguments in this thread that no pitcher in MLB history with a previous Tommy John and his limited career innings count should ever reasonably be expected to surpass 150-160 innings.... Remember at the beginning of the year when most SoxTalk posters were targeting somewhere around 70-80 IP. Well, he's going to end up nearly doubling that. Totally unprecedented in the recent history of the sport. And Rodon's quite lucky they didn't absolutely destroy him back in the second half of 2021. Jimmy Cordero would be another guy that was absolutely used and abused...to you have an obligation to pitch yourself into career oblivion when you're not feeling well (ouchy) and still push the limits for the "good of the team"? Well, what if the interests of the team and individual are not in alignment at all? If that was your kid, you'd let them push even higher, to 170+ innings? 180? Where does it become ABUSIVE to push him THAT hard? When nobody has ever beaten those odds looking at his university, MiLB and majors workload over the span of roughly 5-6 years?