GREEDY

Are you 100 years old? Errors and Batting average??? And you even drop an "LOL". C'mon man. I legit LOL'd. I'll try to get past the ridiculousness and respond by saying comparing a toolsy raw athlete prospect to a polished low ceiling college player is not even remotely fair.

Why do we live here?

I think comparing any of the pitchers taken is apples to oranges. Completely different value and upside components to choosing a pitcher as opposed to a college second basemen.

I feel like that is in hindsight. Kolton Wong was a 3.5 win player the last 2 seasons and received 2/18 for his two prime years. Cesar Hernandez was great last year and got 1/6 for his age 30 season. The position is very soft. We used a golden ticket and used 6.5 million in bonus money to draft Madrigal. Our fanbase's excitement for having a gritty, American gamer to cheer for during a time where the club was collecting swing and miss position players w/ upside clouded our judgement and still continues to do so. Nick sounds like a player we want to watch and cheer for. That unfortunately does not make him good at baseball.

Acceptable for an average baseball player or Acceptable for the #4 overall pick in the draft? I think expectations are driving some of the concerns. I personally feel like he has to be at the very least an above average second basemen for the pick to not be a colossal failure. And at this point absolutely everything we have seen tells me unless there is virtually no reasonable path to that for Nick.

I think it is the lack of a path towards being an above average 2B that is worrisome. We've seen countless from our fanbase say: "I think he'll be fine" and then say something like: "he won't hit for any power but he is gonna hit .300". I hate to break it to y'all but .300 with no power, limited walks and even average defense is not only NOT FINE, but it is downright bad. There is a disconnect from what people think is acceptable for Nick and what would actually be a good player.

When is it ok to start judging Madrigal? ? As advertised: Very aggressive approach at the plate. Not as advertised (or at least "hoped for"): Everything else. He is 24 and has played at the highest of high levels since middle school. Seemingly the last guy who might "need some time to get acclimated". The defense has been bad and to my eye not necessarily the result of small sample size mistakes or bad breaks. Nick appears hesitant, awkward and slower than I expected. There are zero signs of the "hoped for" 10 HR power that might be necessary for him to be an above average 2B regardless of his batting average. When you draft the polished college second basemen with the questionable ceiling at slot (6.5 million - huge money for the position)... you are definitely banking on instant impact.

What is an acceptable sample size for fan(atics) to be qualified to start discussing the team on a discussion forum?

Somebody tell Tony how much the two weeks of Vaughn is costing the organization.

While this is a joke I can't believe they didn't get an option (even at a much higher salary) for '22.

Jerry convinces La Russa to drive one of the Chevy convertibles during the Opening Day ceremonies to prove he is a changed man. Tony loses control of his Camaro ejecting Southpaw before crashing into the visitor dugout ultimately injuring Salvy Perez. Gene Honda drops a hard F-Bomb on the PA, lights a cig and continues on with the introductions while La Russa is yelling something about Nick Madrigal. Angel Hernandez ejects Tony for lowering his mask to scream. Thunderstruck.

500k is 500k and Yermin costs 500k less than Lucroy.

Kenny definitely watched Moneyball on Netflix during quarantine.

In the colder weather games during April I think we should field a proper defense.

Maybe showcasing Collins? ?

I was focused more outside of the draft. The easily could have spent a little money over the past 5 years eating contracts in exchange for prospects. That could have added serious depth to our organization. Narvaez traded for a reliever that was already being paid market value while there were several free agent relievers available screamed "we think narvaez overachieved"... newsflash: they were wrong.

If they weren't already being touted as a top prospect when acquired... our front office has missed on them (since the rebuild began). Outside of Dane Dunning (Who was Washington's #6 Prospect and was a fringe Top 100) I can't think of anyone. Even in the international market, we seem to stick to the most well known, developed prospects. The fans love it. Because we get names everyone has heard before but I'm not certain it is a recipe for success.

The same fans that think the Sox put Eloy at risk by playing him in the field also want to try Andrew Vaughn in LF.

Guess what? We need a sub. That is the idea.

Why did we give Leury 3.5 million if he isn't the internal answer? At least the current answer barring a trade?

Kole Calhoun makes sense

Tuned into the score for the first time in over a year to hear the presser, nothing but commercials for the last 4 minutes straight. Nothing has changed. Disappointing that nothing has changed with their strategy to milk every last penny out of their remaining dinosaur listeners and then die.

Reinsdorf's immediate reaction: "So when exactly can I expect the payout from the insurance company"

Let's start the clock on our #1 prospect and stick him at DH when we already have 2 everyday players that shouldn't be in the field AND the second best best offensive catcher on the planet who also needs plate appearances at DH. Our front office is aggressive in only the wrong ways.

$717k in career earnings since 2018 per Sportrac. What a joke. Sick to my stomach for him. The Union better allocate more money to young professional players during the next agreement.