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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 08:02 PM) Those are potentially disasterous mistakes though. Not having a farm system to upgrade your team with, whether its through a trade or promotion, or not being able to replenish your team after making a trade, can keep a team stagnant and potentially losing ground or a division lead. They are. And the decision of not bringing Thome back might deplete our farm system even more.

Other than the horrible farm system and the whole let's listen to my stupid manager thing, I've liked the job that KW has done. Ozzie is a great off the field manager, he treats his players right and the clubhouse is pretty loose. On the other hand, he just puts his players in a position to fail. Examples: Mark Kotsay's got a career .750 OPS, okay, let's DH him and bat him 5th! Hey Dewayne Wise, how high is your OBP? .300? Okay, lead off for me. Hey A.J. what are you hitting? .235? Alright, bat right next to Kotsay so the other team can bring in a lefty in the 7th and get both of you out easily. Hey Randy Williams, I know you suck against both righties and lefties, but I gotta bring you in here because it's what the book and my gut says! He makes weird lineup choices, he had Randy Williams in this bullpen because he felt the need for a second left hander no matter what. I'm still puzzled over why he put Rob Mackowiak in center when we had 4 guys who hit 30+ home runs in 2006 and a declining pitching staff in the second half. With Ozzie, you like him for what he does off the field, but that might not even be half the battle as a manager. You still have to do know what you're doing on the field.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 07:49 PM) Great move by the Halos, although they get a ton of Haren's salary on their books now. Have no idea what the Diamondbacks were thinking of not asking for a better quality of prospects than what they received. $41 million in 3 years for a dominant starter is far from overpaying.

It seems like any team could have gotten Haren if this is the package that was offered. Man, are teams that scared by an anomaly ERA?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:26 PM) We got Noah for Curry in some fashion. We got the Noah pick in the trade with the Knicks right?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:34 PM) If Jim Rice is a HOFer, then so is Dawson. Sure, different styles of player, but they both have the same reason for not having great career numbers. I really didn't like the Rice induction either.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:32 PM) Nitpicking? The man was a 500 HR lock before his knees killed his career. The Astroturf in Montreal just cut his time short. You're choosing two stats that made him look good, that's nitpicking. The problem is that his OBP, SLG, wOBA, OPS, all the nice rate stats that are used these days, don't speak so highly of him. Adding in his pretty good defense is what makes a good case for him IMO. But even then, he's no sure-shot candidate.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:06 PM) I mentioned it in the gamethread, but why not try and acquire Pods? Because you're paying Juan Pierre already.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:13 PM) Would that have really made the Bulls that good in 2002-2003? He would have made them better than a 12-15 win team. What sucked hard is that none of the draft picks we had those years really paid off.

Why do the D'Backs want a catcher when they have Miguel Montero?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) Those same fans probably listen to the Score and think that what's being said on there justifies their belief about the DH-by-committee. I felt like I was talking to worse versions of Greg. What's worse is that they made me out to be like Greg, thinking I wanted everybody on the 05 team back because I said Thome and Podsednik would be upgrades over Kotsay and Pierre on this team right now. I feel like I've lost 20 points on my baseball IQ.

Well, I really wish that he would have accepted in 2000 and not 2010.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:58 PM) Anyone stop to think that Sox didn't acquire Haren cause it would have been too much money to have him in the rotation along with the other main 4 next season? Maybe, but he's worth his contract. It's actually a bargain for a guy like him.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:58 PM) I really hope there’s an ultimatum here that Ozzie sinks or swims with the DH idea. I’d hate to see his lineups getting run out there for the next few years. I just had a Facebook convo with people trying to defend him for it. I've never talked to more boneheaded Sox fans in my life. The constant thinking that Thome is now a backup, even with a .920 OPS, and that Thome isn't on the team anymore so why are we even talking about this drove me f***ing crazy.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) If so then that's exactly what I meant-asking price way to high. Danks and Floyd are better than Haren IMO This year, both have been almost has good as Haren has been in 08 and 09. Giving up either of those guys would have been suicide.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:41 PM) There are three players in major league history with 400 HR and 300 SB. Dawson is one of them. Nitpicking stats like that doesn't hide the fact that he wasn't a great hitter. You only do things like these when you try to make a case for some guy who really isn't that good.

Bad road trip.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:50 PM) I can't say for certain, but I doubt Luke Scott is any better in RF either. And Scott does play at Camden Yards which is a band box in it's own right. However, I like Scott and think he is a good natural hitter who would fit in good, and he can't be any worse than Quentin in RF (and we know he doesn't need to play the field to hit if we move him to DH). Brad Hawpe has had a history of horribleness in the outfield. Scott has never come close to his level of badness.

Passan says Trout is not PTBNL. Really, if that's the deal the D'Backs got, how the hell couldn't the Sox top that. Hudson projects to be about as good as Saunders this year, which is very mediocre.

If Trout is in that deal, then I say the Diamondbacks did well. Still. Joe Saunders?

I really can't believe that there's people that believe Ozzie made the right decision by not wanting Thome. REALLY?

Holy crap. All it took to get Haren was Joe freaking Saunders? Laughable.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 04:41 PM) Twins don't have better pitching than us, starters or BP, even without Peavy, IMO, so I still believe we are the favorites. Their O could be much better but we're slowly turning the corner there despite our joke of a situation at DH But their offense is way better.

Carlos continuing to foul cookies.

Rios has become a singles hitting machine.