Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) The DH/1B market is pretty dead. I think a 4/60 deal makes a lot more sense, especially when you consider you are getting two arb years in that math. Ercarnacion got 3/$60M coming off a similar season at age 33. Abreu is going to get an AAV of at least $17.5M and maybe even closer to $20M.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) If they're going to extend him they should do it now - pay more in the next 2 years and in return have to pay for fewer years at the end of his career. 100% agree. 4 years/$75M sounds about right to me. 2019 to 2021 should all be competitive years and I think he'll remain an elite bat during that period, even if he ends up at DH ultimately.

I could be wrong, but I thought this year's draft was deep at the top, but with few real standouts. If so, ending up at #4 might not be that big of a dropoff, especially since the top couple bonus pools have been greatly reduced vs. recent years.

Nelson is such a f***ing idiot. Dude really needs to cut back on the drinking. And Derrick of all people?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 24, 2017 -> 07:05 PM) Awesome Trump rant by George Clooney. Worth a read: That is seriously awesome!

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Sep 22, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) Dude. No one is saying that King said to loot or conduct violent actions. And no one is condoning that in this thread - at least not that I have seen. Greg is saying that King would not have protested illegally. In that, he includes protests in malls, protests that inconvenience anyone, etc. King's protests led to a lot of the protesters being beaten by police and arrested. They committed illegal acts. They also did those acts peacefully. King might condemn looting, but he also would have been very in favor of civil disobedience. Well Balta's post clearly says otherwise. And no offense, there are definitely multiple posters here condoning that type of behavior indirectly. I've seen multiple comments like "well if your people were being gunned down unjustly" as some sort of justification for violent & illegal behavior. Civil disobedience is very much different from the type of behavior we have seen in most of the more recent high profile protests. Unfortunately in this country people tend to give others who fall on the same side of the political spectrum or share a particular belief a free pass for their immoral actions if it's in support of that idea or identity. I'm a liberal and I am sickened by the frequent police injustices against minorities in this country, but under no circumstance is looting & violence an acceptable response. This has nothing to do with Greg, but solely with some of the rhetoric the hard core liberals on this board are spewing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) I'm not even bothering with the rest of the text since you didn't read it and there's 5 paragraphs by Dr. King disagreeing with what you just said word for word. READ HIS WORDS. RIGHT HERE. READ THIS. HE ADDRESSES YOU DIRECTLY. IT COULD START WITH THE WORD "GREG". Maybe I'm missing something here, but where does he say to loot and conduct violent actions in there?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 22, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) Volstad showed us some good stuff last night. I am sure he gets another relief outing or two to show if he can be consistent and get a spot with the team in 2018 This can't be for real.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 22, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) 1) the civil rights movement was larger than just King 2) please educate yourself on what King actually did. he certainly did not take a view that protest shouldn't bother or inconvenience anyone. they were also often illegal. he even ended up in jail and wrote a famous letter admonishing the people who were tut-tutting him for his actions just as you're doing to protesters today! https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/L...Birmingham.html He also didn't advocate looting and violence.

This would be a real bad loss.

StrangeSox/GoSox, I'm not going to defend Trump here because he's in the wrong, but what actions would you take if you were the President and North Korea started launching nukes our way?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) That .186 BABIP and 90% LOB isn't going to last and I'd like to see him get more Ks (though the swinging strike% seems fine) but obviously it's hard not to be encouraged by him so far. The lack of walks is nice to see, though when he misses his location he seems to miss by a lot. The curveball doesn't look that great but that might not matter because his changeup looks really good. Wasn't his curveball supposed to be his best pitch in the minors? I'm not disagreeing with you on how it's looked for us, but I swear that everything I've read listed it as plus plus.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) And draws significantly less walks. Which means he's not Adam Dunn

So how many games back are we from the #1 & #2 picks now?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 13, 2017 -> 05:55 PM) Doom and wolfenstein 2 coming to the Switch. Did not see that coming. Very excited for Wolfenstein 2. Getting a AAA-caliber FPS title is absolutely huge for the system, although I'm sure if it keeps selling well next year's CoD will be on it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) Well that's the thing. When peaceful protests don't change the illegal behavior, people shift tactics. Are you actually suggesting violent & unlawful protests are ok? You are really on a roll in this thread.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 17, 2017 -> 08:44 AM) I'm just a little surprised since I have a very strong base of friends who are extremely active in protests, some of them are also antifa. I myself have attended dozens of protests over the last few years. Not one of us has ever been handed a check or cash to go these protests. I guess I'll defer to you though. I didn't realize you're pretty big into the protesting scene. I can't believe this is actually a real post.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) I am now anticipating that 0/43 slump that drops Garcia below .300. Would Joe get his much desired beef sandwich if that were to happen?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 10:54 AM) The Abreu impact on the young new players like Moncada cannot be understated. He is one of the players I wouldn't trade at this point. I think his value to mentoring young players is more valuable than any possible return he could provide at this point. 100% agree. He's just too damn valuable to the organization. Would need an Eloy caliber prospect to move him and that's not happening. I'm very hopeful he'll be around and be the leader for our next good team.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 07:57 AM) Because he has already started to hit more. He's missed many games. Health is never a guarantee, but if he was healthy for this entire season, 25 homers isn't very crazy. Last homestand they had listed some of his homers on the scoreboard. He has hit 8 up until then that went at least 423 feet. He has enormous power. A slight tweak to his launch angle and who knows what happens. I was reading an article about Justin Turner and his turnaround from nothing to all star. They said he spent a winter with Marlon Byrd. The first thing I thought about after reading that was he was juicing, but it all was about launch angle. Avi hits the ball hard as often as just about anyone. If he ever becomes a flyball hitter, he will be a star. His FB rate has improved this year, but his HR/FB remains the same as 2016 and is far from special. I'm not arguing a change in launch angle wouldn't do wonders for him, but I'm definitely not paying him 4 WAR OF money because of a BABIP fueled season and hopes that maybe a launch angle change comes to fruition. If you want to hold him another season and see what happens fine, but extending him right now seems incredibly foolish IMO.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 07:46 AM) I think you are exactly correct. He has obviously made a concerted effort to be a line drive hitter. If he alters his launch angle, he could even surpass that 25 - 30 homer mark, in which case, a .285 to .300 average would be fine. Either way, he should be able to remain a productive middle of the order hitter. His LD % is actually down this year. And you don't sign players to big contracts because you think they can make a launch angle adjustment. This idea that he'll simply sacrifice some average for power is absrurd. His average is going to regress regardless of any other changes. He most definitely needs to improve his power numbers to remain a productive middle of the lineup hitter.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2017 -> 07:39 AM) Avi's BABIP may regress, but I also think he will be hitting more homers. I don't think anyone expects him to hit .333. But if he hits .285-.300 and hits 25-30 homers, he's a lot better than anyone thought coming into this year when people were upset the Sox gave him $3 million and weren't giving Rymer Liriano a shot at playing. Why do you think he'll suddenly hit more HRs?

This thread is a perfect example of what happens when we let the trolls run wild. Absolute garbage and negatively impacts the overall quality of the board.

Avi looks better this year no doubt, but he still has a .397 BABIP. That is the highest in baseball this year and a huge red flag. Let me put it this way, the highest career BABIP for any modern player with 3,000 PA's is Joey Votto with a .353. That's a 44 point differential between Avi and the best ever. I don't care if you believe he's finally "figured it out" this season, regression is most certainly coming, the only queation is how much. So what does that leave us with if the batting average starts to fall? Amongst 52 qualified OFs, Avi ranks 31st for ISO, 49th for BB%, & 25th for K%. What stands out there? Simply put, a bunch of singles are fueling his overall offensive line. And while his baserunning numbers have improved this year, his defense in RF is still below average. What happens if he gains weight and/or loses speed as he ages? Both his baserunning & defense would be negatively impacted and he could quickly become a mediocre player. I too want to believe that Avi is suddenly a 4 WAR player, but I have zero faith he can maintain this level of production long term and I think he's too risky of a player to commit big money to when we have a system filled with OF talent and enough money to sign a true impact free agent if need be. I think Hahn should trade him this offseason while his value should be at an all time high.

I just don't see how they ever get two stars. They'll tank this year, get one high draft pick, and immediately sign B tier free agents and be stuck in NBA hell for the foreseeable future. Maybe if GarPax wasn't around I'd more faith.