Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 05:23 PM) I disagree on the value. What's the worst case if they waited? We don't get Levine and his bionic knee? My guess is they couldn't decide what to do and panicked last minute and took the 'best' of the s***ty offers when they should have just waited it out. There's nothing they got in return that's going to change the face of this franchise so there was no point in not just waiting it out for the year. I agree on picking a lane finally, much like the white sox. But selling a 2nd round pick & this bonehead front office signals they don't have a clue and ensures a garbage franchise for another 5-10 years minimum. If they waited they wouldn't of had a chance at a top pick next year. You can't just view this trade in isolation. Next year's draft position is an important part of the equation. Selling now was the right move IMO, I just question why in the world they gave up #16 in the process. I seriously doubt Thibs passes on Jimmy f***ing Butler because of a mid round draft pick. I think GarPax simply panicked and/or were too infatuated with Dunn to push harder.

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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) I don't understand why you keep saying "stat lovers." How do you tell how good a baseball player is? By how well they wear their uniform? You're talking to a guy who thinks Anderson looks like a catcher and that draft position doesn't matter. His brain simply isn't logic/data driven. Only god knows what drives his ridiculous opinions.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) This is how I feel to, and I have thought it would all unravel after his first cold streak but he keeps battling back. THis is one of the things that I want to attribute to RR, I think he gets these players prepared to struggle and ready to battle out of it. Yup, we're not seeing the extended slumps that frequently plagued the White Sox when Robin was in charge. Rick has done a tremendous job in that department.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 08:28 AM) Projected fWAR Q, 3.7 Kahnle, 2.5 Swarzak, 2.0 Robertson, 1.6 Pelfrey, 1.6 5.3 Avi 4.8 Leury 2.6 Abreu 2.5 Yolmer 2.0 Davidson 1.9 Frazier 0.9 Narvaez -0.4 Anderson -0.9 Saladino -1.0 Cabrera Where did you get these from? I know Melky's at -0.5 WAR, but I find it hard to believe he won't get better.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 08:17 AM) They could always add Kahnle. Quality relievers are worth gold if you're in a playoff run. Cubs aren't selling low on Schwarber. So unless you want him as your headliner for Quintana, he's probably unattainable.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 07:01 AM) According to some of Hostetler's and Hahn's comments, the front office shares my "obsession". The reason that it has been such a focus of mine is that the Sox have had such a long drought, when it comes to filling that need. Of course, I agree that Moncada is going to be a better hitter than Sanchez. However, as I previously posted, I don't think that he is ready. Part of my motive for suggesting this entire scenario is to avoid rushing some of the prospects. It takes most young players a while to figure out Major League pitching. Perhaps this is more true today, than ever before, given the variety and quality of the pitching that they face, in the Big Leagues. I'm not in favor of bringing up guys too fast, only to face the inevitable dilemma of having to sign them to big free agent contracts, right after they have finally figured out. Matt and Avi may be just two such examples of players taking a while to "figure it out". Fortunately, Davidson wasn't brought too soon and therefore still has plenty of time before he becomes a free agent. In Avi's case, the Sox wasted a couple of years of service time. On the other hand, it's possible that some hitters might not ever figure it out, unless they see enough Major League pitching. It is indeed a real dilemma. It would be nice if they could be exposed to such pitching, without being in the Majors, and burning through their service time. Look, I get the obsession with a middle of the order, left-handed bat, I was simply teasing you. I would love myself another Jim Thome anchoring our lineup. I just don't think it's time to go out and pay market rate for that. I do think you need to accept the fact that most players need some development time at the major league level before they figure it out. Can't just keep Moncada down there in AAA for another season and expect him to be a fully-formed player. He'll go through his growing pains and will need to make adjustments or fail like most young players. The benefit of a rebuild is you can give this first wave some time without putting undue pressure on them for immediate results. Look how well it's worked so far for Davidson, Sanchez, & Luery. There is no reason to rush this process. I want to win as badly as anyone, but like I said previously you don't change direction mid trip because of a few early hits and what you expect to be a weak division. We're trying to build towards sustained success, not to take advantage of what could be a one year window of opportunity (and I still think you're sleeping on Cleveland). Stay the course and we'll all be happy in two or three years.

Can someone explain to me Lavine's contract situation? Does he only have one year left and then becomes a restricted free agent? Or does he have two years left before becoming restricted? Given his ACL issue, I really hope it's the ladder and not the former. Either way, this trade reflects the problem with trading your only chip and not getting anyone with star potential back in return. Lavine is going to get paid in a year or two and start eating up cap space that theoretically could have been used to sign a star in free agency (long-shot I know). I guess you could always move him for more assets down the road, but you're not going to get a ton when he's making a f***ton of money unless he takes another step forward. I just wish we got at least one guy in return for Butler that has star upside.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 04:18 AM) Mendick 4-4, HR, 2B. He's really starting to be someone. I wish they'd promote him. He'd be a lot more interesting if producing in AA. Unfortunately, Alvarez & Peter are blocking him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:34 PM) I meant the post. Don't you picture TA behind the plate? Pretty tall, good arm. Decent pop in the bat. Low BA. Never walk. And in the post I asked if he had ANY background as a catcher. I think he projects offensively as a slightly better than average catcher. Are the mods arguing a .250 ceiling, about a .290 on base ceiling, and good 20 homer power, 70 ribbies? How can a mod sit here and not deem this trolling? No one in their right mind could picture Tim Anderson as a f***ing catcher. It's beyond laughable.

This extension talk is crazy. There is no point even considering it until the offseason. As promising as these first three months have been, I need to see more before I commit to him long-term. If he can maintain a similar level of production over the 2nd half of 2018, then extension talks make sense. Until then, we simply wait and evaluate.

Here are your problems: 1) You're assuming that all of Avi, Davidson, Leury, & Sanchez will maintain starter-quality players. That remains to be seen and very unlikely IMO. 2) Starting Yolmer Sanchez over Yoan Moncada is crazy to me. Moncada can be a special player, Sanchez can not. Not much to debate there. 3) Young pitching will go through growing pains. You can't assume guys like Lopez & Giolito will come up and immediately be productive starters. 4) Not dealing Quintana & Kahnle (assuming value is there) is poor asset management. They can bring in high-end talent that better fits our projected competitive window. 6) The system has gotten better but still need's an influx of talent, especially on the positional side. It's the reason we're rebuilding in the first place and you don't suddenly jump ship because of a weak division and a few early hits. The goal is a deep system that will consistently provide waves of talent. 7) You are obsesssed with left-handed, middle of the order power bats. I don't think I've seen a post of yours without mentioning adding one

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 12:29 AM) This system is fairly thin in the OF. The Yankees have a glut of young OF talent and need a cost controlled TOR SP. Frazier, Rutherford, and Fowler would be a good return for Q. They're not gutting all their OF talent in one trade and they're not trading both Frazier and Fowler at this time either. They need one of those guys as depth and potentially a 2018 starter.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 12:09 AM) I will take a stab at it. I want positional talent and realize the higher failure rate the further away you are from MLB. I am also putting an emphasis on this years performance vs pre season rankings. While Q's peripherals are not bad, I wish he was sitting as an obvious allstar. From Houston: Tucker OF AA, Whitley RHP A , F Perez RHP A+, Alvarez 1b A, C Perez LHP A, 5 players because so many are so far away and riskier. Could balance numbers with one or two of our less impressive minor leaguers to potentially help 40 man issues if necessary. From NYY: Adams RHP AAA, Fowler OF AAA, Andujar 3b AAA and a flier as I had many say three prospects wasn't enough but all three are 22 and would be probable starters in our lineup by the middle of 2018. That Astros package is so much better than the Yankees package and not realistic IMO. You're not getting Tucker (a true blue chip prospect in AA), two more top 100 prospects with big upsides in Perez & Whitley, plus two high profile but young LatAm guys. Take out one or Whitley or Perez and you may have something workable there. I would be incredibly dissapointed with that Yankees return. All three guys are nice prospects, but there isn't a single blue chipper in there. At the very least I'd need another interesting prospect to even consider such a deal. And on a worrisome note, Fowler & Andujar are not patient hitters. We can't keep adding players like that. All the guys on our roster who may be around for our next contender all sport BB rates at or below 6%. Fowler & Anjudar are simply more of the same and that's poor roster construction IMO.

I'd need something similar to the Eaton trade in terms of overall value. The only condition would be that the headliner be a positional talent (preferably an OF) who has less question marks than Giolito. For the Yankees, I'd need Frazier plus an arm like Kraprielian or Adams and a high upside third piece like Florial. For the Astros, I'd probably ask for Tucker, Perez or Whitley, plus two of their recent high profile LatAm signings. Haven't put much thought into other teams as I think the Yankees & Astros should be the favorites for Quintana.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 09:04 PM) they can go over 4.99% of their pool with out a penalty right? I know that's how it used to be, not sure if it changed in the new CBA or not.

Lol, ESPN gave us an F for the Butler trade. Will be interesting to hear if other offers leak. I could totally see GarPax passing on potentially more value b/c they were obsessed with getting Dunn.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 05:23 PM) Yeah I think they'll definitely be over their pool. And I think that would be a great sign.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:53 PM) Interestingly we're $27-28M under cap right now without offering QO to Niko or MCW. Is that why we traded away the 16th pick? I hope you are not suggesting to sign a max contract type player. We need to tank and tank hard. I hope to god we didn't trade Jimmy to go straight back to NBA hell.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:34 PM) Depth Chart PG: Rondo Payne MCW Dunn Grant Canaan SG: Wade LaVine Valentine SF: Zipser PF: Portis Mirotic Markinnen C: Lopez lol shoot me Why aren't we dumping Lopez for a pick? Worried the Bulls will half-ass it and try to compete for a 8th spot instead of legitimately tank.

That's one of the least exciting draft picks in recent memory. I'm all for tanking, but that was not one of the first big pieces I was envisioning.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:14 PM) Got to be Isaac since they already have 7 billion guards. Too bad, because Smith or Monk would be good in a vacuum. I think it's going to be your boy Markkanen unfortunately.

Who do want the Bulls to take at #7 now?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:02 PM) Lavine was starting to play real well before he got hurt so I'm happy to get him. Would have been real happy with this if we didn't include the 16. Oh well, at least they're trying something. 100% agree with this. Giving up the 16th makes it suck.

Giolito finally gave up a hit, but has 7 K & 0 BB through 4 innings. Only at 50 pitches too.