Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 5, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) What if they deal one for huge haul and no one else offers the same for the other? Keep one if you don't get 2 huge offers. Exactly. The 2017/18 free agent sucks as well, so there's plenty of opportunity to deal one of them then.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 07:54 AM) This is the Robin Ventura appreciation thread, not the still b****ing about Robin Ventura thread. Lol...GTFO. You literally pollute every thread with your constant need to play devil's advocate or simply pick a fight with Caulfield over pretty much anything he says. Meanwhile, I'm defending a big chunk of this board who believes Robin was a class act (see my post on page 1) but are objective enough to admit he's a bad manager (see all your posts). I'm not going to sit back while someone uses your token move, the gross generalization of the entire board, to troll us posters who had been nothing but respectful in this thread.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) Which is something I've never claimed. But even if I had, it would be much closer to truth than the way he was treated on here. The vast majority of posters here primarily blame the front office and/or ownership for this mess. There are a handful of posters who think Robin is the primary reason for our recent failures, but they are few and far between. The truth is Robin is just one of many problems with this organization, and while a smaller one in the grand scheme of things, he's also an easily correctable one. These problems aren't mutually exclusive, so replacing Robin makes the team by even a single game the move makes sense. That's what most posters here believe IMO.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 11:10 AM) Goodbye Robin, thanks for being the irrational scapegoat that most of the posters here needed. We no longer have to pretend it's your fault that the team sucked. Just as irrational as believing he had no impact on our team's results.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 07:46 AM) You don't trade Chris Sale for the likes of Shaw and Holt as your second piece. That would require Moncada being a superstar and probably the net difference even then is a couple of wins if you're lucky. Even guys like Kimbrel and Giles were getting better packages for the second player in those deals. Granted, Moncada is one of the best prospects in the game but so was Buxton...who's ending this year on a high note but still put up an average in the 220's. Alot depends on how guys like Pomeranz, Buchholz and Rodriguez fare in the playoffs . That offense can cover up a lot of deficiencies, with 3 30-100 guys for the first time in club history, a former MVP in Pedroia, Bradley Jr. & Bogaerts, not to mention Moncada in the pipeline. Yeah, let's see how the Red Sox perform in the playoffs before writing off their desire to add an ace.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 07:35 AM) Thanks for your dedication Robin! Wasn't personal, you just weren't right for the job. Very classy until the end. He just wasn't a good manager and that failure falls on the front office. He should never been hired in the first place.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 1, 2016 -> 12:29 AM) And as far as my support of Jesse, well, I don't mean to disparage the military. He was in the military as a matter of fact. But I feel like Hillary is a very bad candidate and Trump is a lol, cmon you gotta be kidding candidate. Gary Johnson doesn't make me feel great about his leading the USA so that leaves Jesse. WHy not vote for him? It's my right. Why can't an athlete kneel during the national anthem then? Is that not their right?

Why the f*** are we debating Cubs fans vs. Sox fans in a Robin Ventura thread?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 02:36 PM) Well that's a douse of cold water. If Ventura is it, nothing is changing. The scary part is they may have wanted Ventura to return too depending on which reports you believe. If true, that shows me there is still no accountability in this organzation.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 2, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) I really don't understand the view that Renteria is an in-house or organizational hire, he's been here for just a few months. He's not at all like the usual Sox manager hire. Exactly, and it was pretty obvious (at least IMO) that when they brought Renteria on as bench coach, the front office knew he was a strong possibility to be the next manager of the White Sox. He's an outside hire as far as I'm concerned.

Not sure what this plan accomplishes. We're still not good enough to compete, but hold onto guys like Melky & Frazier? I guess I don't get it.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 07:27 AM) Seriously? Uh, how about the money he's spent? In just the past two years, I'm counting about $150M in financial commitments to Melky, Robertson, Frazier, Shields, Samardzija, LaRoche, etc. Not to mention the long-term deals that he gave to Abreu, Eaton, Sale, Quintana, etc. That may not be George Steinbrenner money and one can question the intelligence of a couple of those moves (Shields, in particular). But it's pretty significant spending by somebody who doesn't have the Steinbrenner family's financial resources. If Reinsdorf doesn't care about winning, he wouldn't be spending like this. He could've saved a lot of money by fielding a team full of the Sox's crappy AA and AAA players. Look, I realize that you're pissed about the way that the organization is being run and I don't disagree with you about that point. But the idea that winning isn't a high priority for Reinsdorf is just dumb. Reinsdorf no doubt wants to win, but it has to be done his way. And quite frankly, that's the problem. He's not willing to go above and beyond what's necessary to overcome our poor farm system in order to build a winner. Signing a bunch of B free agents and never going into the red isn't going to cut it when we get very little help from the minors. He doesn't like utilizing loopholes, such as refusing to go over slot for years in the draft, and he's generally never been a big supporter of investing large dollars into said minor league system (with a few exceptions). Worst of all, he's built an organization with no accountability. How Buddy Bell is still here after years of development failure is beyond belief. The same arguably applies to KW, Hahn, & Ventura. Combine these factors amongst others, and it's no wonder we're stuck in baseball hell right now. I've never been a Reinsdorf hater, but we desperately need fresh blood at the top of this organzation.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 09:51 PM) Looks like I didn't miss much. JR loyal to a fault, sox fans (understandably including myself) outraged and DA defending any manager/coach. Unless that coach is Don Cooper!

It's just sad that Reinsdorf has created an organization with absolutely no accountability. Our team has been a joke Robin's entire tenure. If he's not part of the problem, then the front office most certaintly is. Something has to give at this point, even for a guy as loyal as Reinsdorf. Unfortunately for us, changes may not be made.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Switch rosters and let's see who the idiot is. Ugh, no one is arguing that managers have more of an impact than players. People are just stating that managers have some impact and that the team could improve some with a better manager. There's no doubt in my mind this team is better with Maddon, whether that's one game or four.

I will say this much, if the Sox retain Robin, Hahn, & KW, I will not be attending games next year. No change in management = no financial support from me.

Just got Shadow Complex for PS4 and my god the game is awesome.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 26, 2016 -> 02:32 AM) I guess my FanDuel teams fit this thread, but with just Monday night to go, I am winning money in both of my $2 entries. One of them I am not confident in holding on to, but the other one I got a nice 20 pt cushion thanks to me being shrewed. I took Prescott and Bailey on both teams, but I took Beasley on the one that scored higher tonight. I hate pulling a spelling police move, but I seriously can't help myself with this one.

Floyd or Sharpe for a FLEX spot? Half PPR league.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 07:26 AM) Reddick is probably the only one that won't cost a draft pick to sign. Pass. Agree, but going for it and not signing one of these guys would simply be another half-ass offseason.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 07:49 AM) On the heels of 4 3 hit games, Saladino raised this season's OPS from .690 to .738 his last 9 starts. It's great that he did that, but some regressing is most likely going to occur. Before that, he didn't hit all that well. On top of that, he is hurt again. To think he is what he has been the last week and a half offensively, and he will be able to stay healthy enough to be a regular is right now a dream based on nothing. I like the guy. But he still needs to show he is for real with the bat, and can keep himself on the field. This is all nonsense. Saladino put up a .284/.315/.455/.770 slash line across 93 plate appearances in August. What changed between August & July? Oh that's right, he got consistent playing. There's nothing really flukey about those numbers either, so it's convenient you completely ignored them. And no one is arguing that Saladino is a .837 OPS player, so I'm not sure why you're cherry-picking his last nine games. Clearly his September are inflated due to a ridiculous .413 BABIP. Show me one poster who said that player is their expectation. I patiently wait for your heavily-spinned response.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2016 -> 07:22 AM) Why are you so gung ho for Leury Garcia and/or Carlos Sanchez? I'm not, but utility infielder is lower on my list of needs than OF, DH, & C.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) You're dreaming if you think we get any of those guys. Cespedes will stay with NYM, Encarnacion will sign some outrageously large contract, Trumbo too... Sure maybe we'll get Bautista/Reddick as consolations but it's not like they're that good anymore regardless I'm not sure what you're arguing. I don't want to waste $5M on Brett Lawrie. Whether we're rebuilding or going for it, I'd rather start Saladino. If we were to go for it, I sure as s*** wouldn't waste $5M on a 2B when we have gaping holes in CF, DH, & C. And quite frankly, we're not going to be legit contenders next year if we don't sign one of those guys I mentioned in my previous post (among other moves). I'm not suggesting that's going to happen, but am implying that's what it's going to take to turn this team into a winner. Again, wasting a chunk of our limited financial flexibility on a position of low need would be incredibly foolish. What part of my argument do you disagree with exactly?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 09:02 PM) Unless we are getting a nice return, I don't see a need to open up a spot for Leury Garcia or Carlos Sanchez. We aren't getting a nice return for Brett Lawrie, so it sounds like you're good with going cheap somewhere else (CF, DH, & C), because we aren't going to have the money to fill all these holes. Not sure how that makes us better, but hey, I'm all for rebuilding anyways.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 19, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) Uh... who? Cespedes, Encarnacion, Bautista, Trumbo, Fowler, Desmond, & Reddick.